Random Thoughts On Toronto

Quite honestly, I’m not sure where to begin. But if you’re smart, you’ll fill up your coffee cup before you begin reading. This may take a while.

If I had to sum up the Honda Indy Toronto this past weekend in one word, it would be – “exhausting”. It had to be exhausting for the teams and crewmembers. I’m sure it was exhausting for the drivers. I’m also quite certain that those brave and devoted fans that sat out in rain are exhausted this morning. It was even exhausting for those of us at home that had the luxury to come and go at our leisure.

Saturday started out well enough. I was able to watch qualifying live online and get a few things done around the house before Saturday’s pre-race show started with rain falling. It was downhill from there. A forty-five minute pre-race show turned into more than three hours of air time as we watched the rain puddle up on various sections of the track. In that time, we saw a couple of failed attempts to start the race, a lot of speculation from the booth, the genesis of a conspiracy theory and a lot of waiting.

To their credit, race officials did what they could to get in both races of the double-header. What we saw this weekend was an unintended consequence of the double-header format. If I didn’t know better, I would swear that IndyCar officials had no contingency plan in place in the event of a rainout. Shortly after NBCSN went off the air on Saturday, the rainout became official. What we got was a full day of racing on Sunday. The first race ran yesterday morning, while the second race took place in its original time-slot.

Except for a Lap One crash that brought out the red flag to clear up the mess, the first race went off without a hitch and was dominated by Sébastien Bourdais, who won his first race since 2007. Helio Castroneves finished second and extended his points lead over teammate Will Power by twenty-eight points.

Barely more than three hours later, they were back at it again for the back-end of the double-header. Unfortunately, the rain came back not long after the start of the race. Unlike Saturday, the cars were allowed to race in the rain on Sunday. It made for some interesting calls on tire-strategy and reminded me why I like an occasional wet race.

Tire-strategy won the race for Mike Conway and Ed Carpenter Racing. Conway was one of the first to duck in and put slicks back on the car. A timely yellow immediately following his pit stop put him at the front of the field. Once he got there, he checked out. Conway has been hot & cold this season. He won at Long Beach but was invisible in many other races he’s run. But he was hot on Sunday. In fact, he was in a class of his own, just as Bourdais had been in the first race.

While there was decent racing in both races, this was not a good weekend for the Verizon IndyCar Series. Derrick Walker should have made himself more available to the television booth, other than coming into the booth just thirty minutes before they went off the air on Saturday. Even if he doesn’t know anything, he should tell us he knows nothing, rather than giving the impression he has hunkered down into the bunker. This would have also helped to dispel the supposed controversy that some teams were allowed to work on their cars during red-flag conditions. Instead, social media was allowed to run amok with a lot of misinformation (more on this later).

Ultimately, I think Walker and IndyCar made the correct call to not race on Saturday (more on this later). But they gave the appearance of being disorganized and indecisive. This is the time of year when teams are getting their sponsors and budgets for the next season firmed up. For a sponsor that is on the fence right now, this weekend would have done nothing to sway them to invest in this series.

When the series goes to Mid-Ohio after a well-deserved break next weekend, I think all involved with the series will look at this year’s double-header in Toronto as a weekend to forget. It was…exhausting.

TV Coverage: It wasn’t pristine by any stretch of the imagination, but given the circumstances, I thought the entire NBCSN crew did a great job. I said it after Pocono and will say it again – Bob Varsha is very easy on the ears. Nothing against Leigh Diffey, but I would not complain one bit if Bob Varsha was made the permanent lead announcer on the telecast.

Paul Tracy continued to show that he also deserves a shot at a full-time seat for next year. He and Townsend Bell interact with each other very well and Varsha directs traffic seamlessly. Tracy also came up with a new term to go with his trademark “chrome horn”. He has now added “side horn”. Robin Miller adds a lot to the telecast, but I wish they would give up on his pre-race grid walk, that comes off as nothing but awkward.

Sunday’s segment on Dale Coyne was excellent. I was not a fan of Dale Coyne back in the nineties, but I have really grown to like, respect and admire him as a car-owner over the past several years. He has done so much more with far less than anyone else in the paddock. This segment just made me appreciate him that much more.

You would expect there to be a lot of gaffes as they tried to fill air time – and there were some. Paul Tracy introduced “electronicals” as a new word to our vocabularies and Bob Varsha referred to Sarah Fisher as Sarah Fisher Hartman. For those that don’t know, Wink Hartman is Sarah Fisher’s business partner. Sarah Fisher is married to Andy O’Gara.

Pre-Race Ceremonies: Both invocations for Saturday and Sunday were tasteful and brief, which is what they should be. The American National Anthem on Saturday was not good, but I’ve heard worse. My only problem was that the jazz-singer tried to stylize it. But it was great, compared to the bizarre version of the Canadian National Anthem that followed. It was some dude that sounded like he didn’t know the tune and chose to whisper it.

They were both put to shame by the male opera singer who belted out stirring renditions of both National Anthems on Sunday. I wish they could take him around from track to track.

Some have complained that I even bother to comment on the National Anthem on this site or on Twitter. My response? It’s important to me. I hope it’s important to every citizen of their respective country, that their National Anthem be performed in a tasteful manner. After my Twitter comments on Saturday, I heard from several Canadians who said they agreed with me and they were embarrassed by what they had just witnessed.

The Great Debate I: I will fully admit that I changed my mind on whether or not they should be racing as the day went on. Some on Twitter said I waffled. I will say I had an initial reaction, listened to the other side when it was presented and decided that the other viewpoint was more reasonable than the one I had originally.

At first, I couldn’t believe that the race wasn’t running. After all, Firestone doesn’t develop rain tires just to move cars around in the pits. These cars were mean to run in the rain, unless there is excessive puddling which would ultimately cause the cars to hydroplane.

When the cars were on-track during their parade laps, I kept wondering how they could see. Based on what we were shown on the in-car cameras, there was no way they could drive safely. I just figured that the drivers could actually see better than what we were seeing. Paul Tracy said otherwise. Still, I felt like they should be racing. After all, that’s what they are paid to do.

It was when practically every veteran driver climbed out of the car and said there was no way they should race, that I changed my tune. I’m all about the Verizon IndyCar Series listening to the fans; but on racing and safety issues – they should also listen to the drivers. If the drivers feel like they are being put into a situation they deem too risky, the series should listen – and they did.

I’ve heard and read all of the arguments. The old-schoolers say that today’s drivers are wimps. Many Saturday night were claiming that IndyCar no longer races in the rain. Neither are true, as we saw in yesterday’s race.

There were several factors that came into play on Saturday. This was not Portland, Road America or Barber, where we have seen Indy cars race in downpours. Those tracks have large runoff areas. If a car slides, it goes relatively harmless out into the grass or gravel traps. On the city streets of Toronto, a sliding car goes into the concrete wall and ricochets back into the path of oncoming traffic. It’s a recipe for disaster.

Plus, those natural terrain circuits offer quicker evaporation. A rooster-tail of water is partially blown into the surrounding grass and helps get water off of the track. Due to the confining nature of a street course, with concrete barriers and surrounding signage, there is little chance for the water sprayed up to go anywhere but back down on the track – or onto another driver’s visor.

Facebook and Twitter was on fire Saturday night as fans voiced their displeasure over the race being postponed until Sunday. It’s certainly easy for us to sit on the safety of our couches at home, having never climbed into a cockpit to compete on-track, and tell drivers that they should needlessly put their lives at risk. After hearing both sides of the argument, I came to the conclusion that the series was wise to listen to the voices of the ones that were actually doing the racing.

The Great Debate II: Will Power spun just before the field took the green-flag, therefore it was considered a non-start. That means there was no race. It never happened. Power’s team was allowed to thrash the car together in just over twenty minutes and get it race-worthy in case the green ever came out.

It is here that I’ll enter the disclaimer that I am a fan of Roger Pesnke – the man and his team. Having said that, I still think I am looking at this from an objective standpoint.

To me, this was a non-issue. To others on social media, it was a felonious act. Our friend Pressdog is famous for saying “Never engage the crazies”. I should have heeded that advice. I got into it on Twitter and Facebook on this subject with one person that I know. The argument lasted through Saturday night and into Sunday morning, when cooler heads prevailed. We both ended it on a happy note and simply agreed to disagree.

The same cannot be said about the Facebook argument I had on this subject with former car-owner Paul Diatlovich – whose ineptitude as an owner is exceeded only by the bitterness he shows toward the current series. This topic of Will Power’s car being worked on obviously became very personal with him, because he saw it as one of the big power teams (Penske) getting a free pass on everything.

I offered him a comparison to the start of the 1982 Indianapolis 500, when Kevin Cogan initiated a melee before the field ever crossed the line or took the green flag. Diatlovich was involved in that race and even acknowledged that 1982 was a non-start. With that being the case, teams (including AJ Foyt) were allowed to work on their cars before action resumed. Why? Because the race never started. Need a more recent example? CART fans should remember the aborted start of the 1996 US 500 at Michigan on Memorial Day weekend. Those drivers in damaged cars were allowed to go their backups for that exact same reason. The race never got started.

Had the field taken the green flag and run for only one lap, the race would have officially started and cars could not be touched during a red-flag. But this was not during a race. It had not started. It never happened.

That was no different than what happened on Saturday. Will Power, Juan Montoya and Ryan Briscoe all had their cars worked on before another attempt to start the race. Roger Penske and Chip Ganassi knew they could work on their cars since the field never took the green flag. Penske and Ganassi know every inch of the rule book. Other owners should know it as well, rather than come off looking foolish for whining about a rule they did not know about.

The envious ones have said that Roger Penske has an unfair advantage. It’s true that Penske studies the rulebook and looks for every loophole he can find. Such knowledge led to the top-secret development of the 1994 Penske-Mercedes pushrod engine. Roger Penske doesn’t manipulate the rulebook. He simply uses it to his advantage.

Other car-owners might take note that knowing the rulebook inside and out can sometimes work to their advantage. It’s no wonder that Penske and Ganassi have been the top two teams in the sport for the past twenty years. They don’t cheat, they do their homework. Robin Miller pointed out yesterday that Dale Coyne is another one that studies the rulebook. He passed along a tip to Sarah Fisher regarding working on Josef Newgarden’s car during a red flag. Why don’t all owners know these things?

Possible Confusion: I understand that it’s a sign of the times that sponsorship rotates from race to race. This season, we have already seen Simon Pagenaud sponsored by Oculus, Charter Cable and Lucas Oil. Helio Castroneves has carried the livery for Hitachi, Shell/Pennzoil and AAA. The same thing is going on in NASCAR. It can be confusing for casual fans, but it’s where things stand now. Gone are the days when three Penske cars all carry the familiar Marlboro livery throughout the season. Most of us have gotten used to it.

But Team Penske is doing something I flat-out don’t understand. For the past two races, Juan Montoya has driven a car adorned with the PPG livery that actually won at Pocono. This past weekend, the exact same livery was on the track but you’d have to be a pretty die-hard fan to know that Montoya’s teammate, Helio Castroneves, was in the PPG car this weekend. Montoya was in a car decked out in Hawk Performance livery – which looked great, by the way. Helio was in a car that was identical to the car that Montoya drove in the past two races.

In a sport that is trying to promote the few stars we have, it seems that moving liveries and sponsorships among teammates does nothing but confuse those that are trying to become fans of the sport. I’m sure there’s a good reason why they did this – I just haven’t heard it yet.

Earlier Starts?: My personal opinion is that the Verizon IndyCar Series could do themselves a favor by starting their races earlier. Yesterday’s race was scheduled to start at 4:15 Eastern time. That’s a little late. I live in the central time zone. Most races have had coverage starting at 2:00 my time with the race starting around 2:45 and ending at 5:00. That pretty well blows an entire weekend afternoon.

If the races were scheduled to start sooner, there is more flexibility to work around weather delays. With such a late start on Saturday, there was a finite time before darkness would have become a factor. On a selfish note, if races started around 2:00 (1:00 my time), that gives fans a chance to do something with their afternoon after the race is done.

The Red Flag: Let’s all agree that my wife is a casual fan, for the most part. She would tell you that, as well. Susan enjoys racing and knows who the drivers are and what cars they drive. But she’ll be the first to say she is not a student of the sport.

However, she had a very astute observation near the end of yesterday’s race. When the red flag came out with 4:33 remaining in the timed race, she remarked “I can’t ever remember a season when they had so many red flags”. I think that pretty well sums it up.

If you’ll recall, I was one of the few that was not praising the decision to wave the red flag in the final laps of this year’s Indianapolis 500. It reeked of NASCAR and I thought it cheapened the finish. Now, it turned out to be an outstanding finish making everyone applaud what a great decision this was. When I came out against it, I was labeled a traditionalist, a curmudgeon, and generally an inflexible fuddy-duddy; which are all true, by the way.

When the red-flag came out yesterday, I saw a few more comments in my camp. I simply don’t like the whole concept. If the yellow flag is out when the race is over, so be it. That’s a part of racing. Lots of football games finish with the anti-climactic quarterback kneel-down. They don’t make the quarterback of the leading team throw up a Hail Mary just to give the fans some last minute excitement.

But if they are going to use the red flag as a means to manufacture excitement, they need to not be so selective about it. Why was the red flag used in the second race at Toronto, but was not used in the first race at Houston? Had they pulled it out at about the same point in Houston, when Saavedra got spun around in Turn Four – there may have been a completely different outcome. Maybe Carlos Huertas can’t hold off Montoya. Perhaps, Graham Rahal doesn’t punt Tony Kanaan off of the podium. Why do Indianapolis and Toronto merit a green flag finish, but Houston and Barber do not?

To me, the over-zealous use of the red flag this season is taking us down a slippery slope. When the racing gods invented the red flag, it was to stop the race due to unsafe conditions – not to try and give fans a green flag finish. But if they insist on using it – they need to be consistent.

All in All: This was not a good weekend to be an IndyCar official. Except for bringing out the red flag at the end of yesterday’s race, overall I thought they did a good job. Could things have been handled better? Of course. As we saw with Brian Barnhart and then Beaux Barfield along with Derrick Walker – making the tough calls is a thankless job. Someone will always be ticked off.

Had they made the call to go ahead and race on Saturday, then someone was seriously injured – the same people that vilified them for not racing would have crucified them for putting drivers in harm’s way. It’s a no-win situation. They stumbled a little bit, but overall – they made the right call and were able to squeeze both races in. Of course, this begs the question about the whole double-header concept in general. Promoters say they love them, but this weekend – promoters got to see the ugly side of double-headers. Personally, I think the two-year experiment should be called just that and the concept should be abandoned.

As for the two races on the track, they were decent considering how disjointed the weekend was. There was good racing and a ton of different strategies used in both races. But for once, I was glad to see this weekend come to an end. After six races in four weeks, I think everyone is ready for the break coming up this weekend. It seems everyone’s nerves – teams, drivers, officials and even fans – are a little frayed, currently. Mine too.  A week off will do everyone some good.

George Phillips


27 Responses to “Random Thoughts On Toronto”

  1. Bent Wickerbill Says:

    It would be nice if race control could make a decision on anything one way or another without so much vacillation. I realize that the decision to postpone a race involves a great many agreements between both the series the teams and promoters in order to logistically make it come off properly, but as you stated George, they, series officials clearly did not have a contingency plan of any kind in place, when they knew in advance that it was very likely that it would rain at some point or most of the entire weekend. This appearance of ineptitude does nothing to help encourage new fans to watch or existing sponsors to stay or come on board… And yes, again you are correct sir, the proper vocalization off ALL national anthems, especially ours IS VERY important…

  2. Yannick Says:

    Yes, switching the PPG from Montoya’s to Castroneves’ car was confusing and one can only ask the question why? Having the same sponsor coherently on the same driver’s car does create some kind of equity so why let that go without any need?

    The red flag at Toronto Race 2 probably only came out because Race Control must have feared the worst after Aleshin got underneath Montoya’s car. And the tire marks on his helmet clerly show how lucky Mikhail turned out to be.

    There was a lot of great racing on display on Sunday, and I’m sure the fans at the track felt so, too. But the Saturday in Toronto gave the term “start and park” a whole new meaning.

    • The red flag did not come out during the Aleshin crash. It came out during the crash in Turn Three involving Hunter-Reay and many others. You made my point. They didn’t bring it out when a driver’s life was in danger. But they brought it out hen they thought the race might end under caution. – GP

      • TheAmericanMutt Says:

        I don’t understand how you red flag a “timed” race, nor did I understand why they opted to go to a timed race for race two.

        • sejarzo Says:

          Exactly…the rules should specifically define a timed race to be total of green and yellow time, if that’s what it is. Currently, the VICS rule book doesn’t define that.

          The only explanation I can think of is that VICS deemed anything more than 160 minutes of total green and yellow time as too fatiguing on the drivers rather than an absolute requirement of the track or TV schedules.

          • TheAmericanMutt Says:

            Actually, it was pointed out elsewhere (only just now seeing it) that Indycar wasn’t the only series in town (big brain fart on my end not thinking about that) and had to share the track sunday with ancillary series.

            Was there a lights race? Asking of anyone. NBCsports went to golf instead of the lights race so I wasn’t sure if it happened at all.

      • Yannick Says:

        George, thank you for clarifying what I had remembered the wrong way round. When those two incidents happened, it was late at night here in Germany, and I wouldn’t even have known about it without a somewhat shady webstream because the Verizon IndyCar Series is not on free TV here. I must say I miss IndyCar being on Eurosport like they were back in the 90s. In the early 2000s, their former lead announcer Jacques Schulz has been cast in the same role for the Pay-TV version of the German F1 broadcasts which he has been calling ever since. A very good choice, I must say.

        Regarding the red flag: haven’t IndyCar made it a policy this year that if a yellow occurs within the final 10 laps of a race, they will always bring out the red instead of the yellow, and only bring out the yellow if it happens twice within the last 10 laps? Do I remember that correctly?

        This might make for an interesting talking point on “One Take Only”, too. 😉

    • Bent Wickerbill Says:

      I do not know this to be fact, but I have to think that the various sponors that RPR has, may have specified that they wanted their sponsorship spread around between the three cars based on when and where they were racing… Just a thought…

  3. Phil Kaiser Says:

    Hey George, it’s Spell-Checker Phil up here in Indy. Nothing on the spelling front this time (LOL), but I do think Miller’s Grid Run should stay and here’s why (and this is anecdotal evidence): my wife is LESS than a casual fan but she heard Miller on his Grid Run yesterday and was cracking up the whole time! She even asked “does he do this every race?”

    When I told her moments ago you thought he should discontinue the practice she immediately said “But why? It adds levity at a time in the show when everything else going on is just blah, blah, blah.”

    There you go, a completely unbiased opinion. Like I said, anecdotal evidence for sure, but evidence from someone who pays almost no attention to racing of any kind. Can anyone say “entertainment?”

    Oh, and they should’ve raced Saturday, just my opinion. When you have A. J. AND Mario both in agreement on something like that who am I to disagree?

    Great job again George, keep it up!

    Phil Kaiser

  4. Giving fans an opportunity to see a race finish under green is a good thing. It may not be traditional, but it’s more exciting to watch and Indycar needs the excitement.

    And maybe it was to dangerous to drive in the rain, I can’t make that call. But I will say that cars throwing up massive rooster-tails and sliding around those streets would be so cool-looking that maybe even Sportscenter would’ve shown some of it.

  5. When I came out against it, I was labeled a traditionalist, a curmudgeon, and generally an inflexible fuddy-duddy;

    Nothing wrong with that. You were also right.

    As we have seen, sometimes change can be pretty negative.

    Where I do disagree with you, and its probably heresy to some, is with Roger Penske. I believe what he started in 1979 led to most of the issues Indycar has today. And it played a big part in the split that later followed for a number of reasons I will not go into here. Now they have begun the very same thing in Nascar with the announcement of this new owners group. I can’t say for sure at this time, but I’m sure both Penske and Ganassi are at the heart of this movement as well.

    I think this weekends issues, as some of your comments bring out, are still more arguments for reducing the number of street races while continuing to add the best ovals and road courses out there.

  6. Ron Ford Says:

    I think the controversy about cars being worked on before the race officially started is much ado about nothing.

    In addition to safety issues connected to the question of racing in the rain on Saturday, there was also the matter of cars getting wrecked with another race and another set of points available the next day.

    IndyCar certainly can be faulted for not keeping fans and the media better informed on saturday. As a result they came across as indecisive.

    As for all the tweeting going back and forth throughout the evening and next day, don’t those folks have other things to do in real life?!

  7. I, too, thought they should have raced on Saturday, however, I am just a fan on his perch in Nashville and I wasn’t in Toronto. Regardless, it made for a long day on Sunday and, like George said, it was exhausting.

    By the way, I like Miller’s Grid Run. He caught Ganassi, Sarah Fisher and Montoya for a brief moment and it was enjoyable.

  8. Can they just run yellow laps at a much slower speed? Give time to clean up a crash… After the field catches the pace car, run very slow speeds then open the pits…and keep the pace slow… 2-3 slow laps is better then 6 at normal speed or a red flag…..

  9. Hmmm…let’s say you hit a shard of carbon that came off a car ahead of you a few laps before your ideal pit window at TO next year. You have to pit due to a cut tire and take a full fuel load…then the race goes FCY because RC sees more of that carbon. You end up in the lead because you didn’t lose a full lap. After the restart, there’s another cluster accident with 25 laps to go, and the 8 laps of FCY for cleanup saves you just enough fuel to run to the finish…you win. But if that cluster accident occurs with only 8 laps to go, RC decides to red flag it, and because more laps are run under green…you run out of fuel with 2 to go.

    Without a clear definition of the point at which RC must red flag the race, fuel strategies for the last stint are thus no longer subject only to the unpredictability of on-track action (as it always has been and will be) but also the discretion of RC…or is my logic all wet?

  10. billytheskink Says:

    There is quite a bit to comment on, but I find that I just don’t have much to say beyond this: sometimes rain makes things a little too interesting.

  11. Chris Lukens Says:

    I was kind of surprised by the controversy about working on cars before the race starts. The rule is pretty clear on that. Race control could have explained it better. But on the other hand, the rule is pretty clear about running over an air hose too. Power ran over an air hose and got a complete pass from race control.

  12. I didn’t have a lot of umbrage over the aborted race on Sat and the double dip on Sunday. Agree with many above that IndyCar remains crappy at informing fans (and it seems they are crappy at informing teams as well). I’m glad to see fans — who ultimately pay the bills — have some issues with that. Expressing your issues with things helps to get them improved. Just keeping your issues to yourself doesn’t even present the possibility for change. As for the red flag, did we ever hear an official reason for it? I didn’t, nor have I seen it reported. I’d be glad to have a linky dink if someone knows of one. I just assumed the track wasn’t blocked because it wasn’t blocked right after the accident. Again, it would be really cool if IndyCar slipped the Revenue Source (fans) a memo on why they did what they did on the late red flag. RE: the red to preserve the green (if that’s indeed what it was) I don’t have a big issue with it … times change … but I DO have a big issue with it not being covered in the rulebook — at least some parameters about WHEN it can happen — so teams have a better idea of what is possible. I think the precedent is set, and it will be very difficult for IndyCar not to use the red late in future races to preserve a green finish.

  13. What I do not understand…

    Will Power ran over pit equipment and was not penalized

    They issue warnings on blocks

    Montoya was 4 laps down when the other two Penske cars were 1-2, yet they do not send out Montoya as a guinea pig to test if it was time to get off the rain tires

    Three drivers were sent to the back for making changes to the car in a race that never started

    Three drivers were sent to the back for making changes to the car while other cars were worked on in front of NBC cameras were not sent to the back

    No lighting + no flooding+ rain tires = no race

    Every wet race includes rooster tail spray which you cannot see through, these guys are pros?

    They have a timed race and stop the clock for a red flag

    They award full points for two races when we got just over one full race worth of laps in

    What I do understand…

    Owners do not know the rules because IndyCar makes them up as they go along. No one can predict the future.

    • sejarzo Says:

      Those three drivers were sent to the back because they didn’t maintain pace car speed during the pace laps leading up to the potential start, which is a specified violation for which they would normally be sent to the back.

  14. jhall14 Says:

    The comments about the “RED FLAG”, wow. There is nobody any more a traditionalist than myself, with 55 straight years of Indy. Frankly, I had become so accustomed to “Yellow Flag” finishes at Indy, that I welcomed the “Red Flag”. This one on Sunday gave the fans a dash for the cash. I feel race control has been consistent on using it. 1st when there is “adequate” time or laps remaining, that you can bring the pack around for 1 lap, and still have time/laps for racing with the green. In both cases, this was the case. I applaud race control for giving the fans what they came to see, a race for the finish. No laps or time added, just a race to the finish. Thank You INDYCAR !!! After all, who are they putting the show on for, THE FANS. The fans are the winners in both cases.

    • If they are going to do it, they should be honest about it and do what Nascar does by using the green/white checker. Using the red flag is disingenuous at best.

    • S0CSeven Says:

      Agreed. Either a red flag or a pace car under yellow have the same effect namely to bunch up the field. However, I suspect a red flag allows a much quicker incident clean up and a return to green flag racing and that’s what the fans want and deserve.

      As far as I know, in the big leagues a ‘timed’ race is only used for sunset approaching or a TV contract that specifies when it will end.

      And, following the Indycar race there was only an F1600 regional race to deal with and the big dog would have prevailed if they’d wanted.

  15. 顾客总是不开心。我们有最大的自助餐,但总是有人抱怨缺了点什么。离开小尖和餐厅是没有钱。打开干洗业务。开好车。保持年轻的女友开心。

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