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	<title>Comments on: How To Save Pole Day At Indianapolis</title>
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		<title>By: Savage Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Savage Henry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that nobody is interested in qualifying now because nobody actually has to qualify.  You show up, you race (with the exception of the F1 105% rule).  And except for F1 it doesn&#039;t really matter where you qualify.  

Bump Day was really fun in 2011 when some big drivers weren&#039;t going to make the show.  If it was like that more often more people would care about qualifying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that nobody is interested in qualifying now because nobody actually has to qualify.  You show up, you race (with the exception of the F1 105% rule).  And except for F1 it doesn&#8217;t really matter where you qualify.  </p>
<p>Bump Day was really fun in 2011 when some big drivers weren&#8217;t going to make the show.  If it was like that more often more people would care about qualifying.</p>
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		<title>By: Marco Strazzulla</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marco Strazzulla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do not really agree about this frantic desire that some people seems to have to see a new speed record...in my opinion, the speed that we saw ant the end of the 90&#039;s (237.498 Luyendyk Indy record or 241.428 De Ferran absolute record) are the physical limit for an open wheel race...I don&#039;t see the need to overcome this limit...for me, actually around 230 is a good speed...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not really agree about this frantic desire that some people seems to have to see a new speed record&#8230;in my opinion, the speed that we saw ant the end of the 90&#8242;s (237.498 Luyendyk Indy record or 241.428 De Ferran absolute record) are the physical limit for an open wheel race&#8230;I don&#8217;t see the need to overcome this limit&#8230;for me, actually around 230 is a good speed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chri Lukens</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chri Lukens]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 18:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your comment about the apron got me to thinking.  Removing the apron in essence lengthened to distance required to complete a lap.  How much quicker would the new car be if they could use the “shorter” track?  The difference between 226 and 232 is about one second.  I don’t think you could gain that full second, but you would be quicker.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comment about the apron got me to thinking.  Removing the apron in essence lengthened to distance required to complete a lap.  How much quicker would the new car be if they could use the “shorter” track?  The difference between 226 and 232 is about one second.  I don’t think you could gain that full second, but you would be quicker.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnMc</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let &#039;er rip!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let &#8216;er rip!</p>
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		<title>By: DZ (@groundedeffects)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DZ (@groundedeffects)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[100% agree w you HB, for Indy especially. In the 70s with 900hp+ AND huge wings, they would still lift a fair bit approaching 1 and 3. What separated the best drivers from the good ones was seeing who could drive in the deepest and maintain their momentum best.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>100% agree w you HB, for Indy especially. In the 70s with 900hp+ AND huge wings, they would still lift a fair bit approaching 1 and 3. What separated the best drivers from the good ones was seeing who could drive in the deepest and maintain their momentum best.</p>
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		<title>By: The Speedgeek</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Speedgeek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 04:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One last thing (andy I apologize, George, for clogging the comments of your otherwise very interesting take), I would also like to see 1000 HP engines as much as the rest of you. I&#039;m a car guy. I get off on that stuff. Here&#039;s the dreaded word again...

However, back in the days when we saw such a thing in CART, the engines were getting replaced roughly 2-3 times as often as they are now. Does anybody feel good about asking Sarah Fisher, Dale Coyne, A.J. Foyt, Bryan Herta, Dennis Reinbold, or any of the other relative IndyCar minnows to pony up an extra million or two dollars in engine lease cash, with no ironclad guarantee that their extra outlay is going to result in even an extra 0.1 TV rating (because all of this &quot;speed sells&quot; talk is really an unproven theory at this point...it&#039;s never been tried in this day and age of XBox, 10,000 cable channels, 3D movies, organized kids sports out the wazoo, a million other things to do, etc., so there is no guarantee that 240 MPH is going to mean much of anything to most of America)? Certainly, we can ask Honda and GM to crank the boost and revs up to where we get to see huge speeds again, but we&#039;re liable to see car counts go down by 6-8 or even more overnight.

Big power and fast cars are awesome. But they are expensive. As the old adage goes, &quot;horsepower costs money. How fast do you want to go?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last thing (andy I apologize, George, for clogging the comments of your otherwise very interesting take), I would also like to see 1000 HP engines as much as the rest of you. I&#8217;m a car guy. I get off on that stuff. Here&#8217;s the dreaded word again&#8230;</p>
<p>However, back in the days when we saw such a thing in CART, the engines were getting replaced roughly 2-3 times as often as they are now. Does anybody feel good about asking Sarah Fisher, Dale Coyne, A.J. Foyt, Bryan Herta, Dennis Reinbold, or any of the other relative IndyCar minnows to pony up an extra million or two dollars in engine lease cash, with no ironclad guarantee that their extra outlay is going to result in even an extra 0.1 TV rating (because all of this &#8220;speed sells&#8221; talk is really an unproven theory at this point&#8230;it&#8217;s never been tried in this day and age of XBox, 10,000 cable channels, 3D movies, organized kids sports out the wazoo, a million other things to do, etc., so there is no guarantee that 240 MPH is going to mean much of anything to most of America)? Certainly, we can ask Honda and GM to crank the boost and revs up to where we get to see huge speeds again, but we&#8217;re liable to see car counts go down by 6-8 or even more overnight.</p>
<p>Big power and fast cars are awesome. But they are expensive. As the old adage goes, &#8220;horsepower costs money. How fast do you want to go?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Speedgeek</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Speedgeek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 04:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m going to preface this comment by saying that I love speed. I would love to see records be challenged and fall again, and I really hope that we get to see that again someday. If there&#039;s any question about any of that, just check my commenter name again. All of that said, here goes...

HOWEVER, we&#039;ve got some things that need to be addressed. jhall14 touched on a little of this already, but increased speed, for all the positive that it could bring, it also brings some things that we definitely do not want. For starts, if we&#039;re talking about the drivers, once we get above 200 MPH, every 10 MPH increase brings a 10% increase of kinetic energy that has to be dissipated when the car hits something (velocity is squared in the kinetic energy equation, so it increases at a non-linear rate...and yes, I know this is nerd-talk; I only get so many chances to use this here slide rule that I paid so much for). Energy that isn&#039;t trasferred into the wall, absorbed by crush structure or stripped off of the car by parts flying off...that is energy that can hurt or potentially kill the driver. Before we go cranking the cars up to 240 MPH and beyond, Dallara and IndyCar are going to have to confirm that 240 MPH impacts are not something that are going to kill drivers, SAFER barier or no. If 240 MPH impact = dead driver, then we are going to have nobody driving, and yes, that includes all of the &quot;balls of steel&quot; drivers you see at your local short track who claim they&#039;re way braver than all of the candy asses you see on TV every week. Even those guys won&#039;t want to strap in if they know that a blown tire means without a doubt that their kids will be orphans.

The next piece of physics that needs to be talked about is the lift force equation. All of that stuff I just said about kinetic energy? The same goes for lift as well. We all know from seeing cars spin that when they are no longer going the direction they were intended to go (forward), they no longer make downforce, and usually they will make lift (air gets under the car, increasing pressure under the car,and the wings now do the exact opposite thing that you want them to do). Every 10 MPH gain over 200 MPH brings roughly a 10% gain in lift. You can also read that as a 10% increased chance that a car is going to do a Mike Conway special, and wind up in the fence. Or, in the worst case, from what I heard, emulate Tony Renna&#039;s car which may have wound up IN the stands. You think IndyCar&#039;s finances are tenuous now? Imagine them getting sued by a couple dozen families who&#039;ve had family members crushed by a tub/engine/transmission/tires/uprights/etc. that made it into the stands. We&#039;ll all have watched the last ever IndyCar race.

Now, with all of that wet blanket talk out of the way, my point is this: if IndyCar wants to take on speed records again (and, again, I would like them to...very much), they are going to have to do a lot to ensure the safety of the drivers, and more crucially, the fans. If fences can be heightened and strengthened, and if the walls made even safer yet, and if the cars can be simulated to go through impact test after impact test at an even higher standard than they are now, then by all means, let&#039;s go after Arie&#039;s number. But not until then.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to preface this comment by saying that I love speed. I would love to see records be challenged and fall again, and I really hope that we get to see that again someday. If there&#8217;s any question about any of that, just check my commenter name again. All of that said, here goes&#8230;</p>
<p>HOWEVER, we&#8217;ve got some things that need to be addressed. jhall14 touched on a little of this already, but increased speed, for all the positive that it could bring, it also brings some things that we definitely do not want. For starts, if we&#8217;re talking about the drivers, once we get above 200 MPH, every 10 MPH increase brings a 10% increase of kinetic energy that has to be dissipated when the car hits something (velocity is squared in the kinetic energy equation, so it increases at a non-linear rate&#8230;and yes, I know this is nerd-talk; I only get so many chances to use this here slide rule that I paid so much for). Energy that isn&#8217;t trasferred into the wall, absorbed by crush structure or stripped off of the car by parts flying off&#8230;that is energy that can hurt or potentially kill the driver. Before we go cranking the cars up to 240 MPH and beyond, Dallara and IndyCar are going to have to confirm that 240 MPH impacts are not something that are going to kill drivers, SAFER barier or no. If 240 MPH impact = dead driver, then we are going to have nobody driving, and yes, that includes all of the &#8220;balls of steel&#8221; drivers you see at your local short track who claim they&#8217;re way braver than all of the candy asses you see on TV every week. Even those guys won&#8217;t want to strap in if they know that a blown tire means without a doubt that their kids will be orphans.</p>
<p>The next piece of physics that needs to be talked about is the lift force equation. All of that stuff I just said about kinetic energy? The same goes for lift as well. We all know from seeing cars spin that when they are no longer going the direction they were intended to go (forward), they no longer make downforce, and usually they will make lift (air gets under the car, increasing pressure under the car,and the wings now do the exact opposite thing that you want them to do). Every 10 MPH gain over 200 MPH brings roughly a 10% gain in lift. You can also read that as a 10% increased chance that a car is going to do a Mike Conway special, and wind up in the fence. Or, in the worst case, from what I heard, emulate Tony Renna&#8217;s car which may have wound up IN the stands. You think IndyCar&#8217;s finances are tenuous now? Imagine them getting sued by a couple dozen families who&#8217;ve had family members crushed by a tub/engine/transmission/tires/uprights/etc. that made it into the stands. We&#8217;ll all have watched the last ever IndyCar race.</p>
<p>Now, with all of that wet blanket talk out of the way, my point is this: if IndyCar wants to take on speed records again (and, again, I would like them to&#8230;very much), they are going to have to do a lot to ensure the safety of the drivers, and more crucially, the fans. If fences can be heightened and strengthened, and if the walls made even safer yet, and if the cars can be simulated to go through impact test after impact test at an even higher standard than they are now, then by all means, let&#8217;s go after Arie&#8217;s number. But not until then.</p>
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		<title>By: John Reid</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 02:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Outside of Formula 1 and the NHRA I don&#039;t think motorsports fans really care about qualifying anymore. The race it&#039;s self seems to be the only thing that attracts fans nowadays and even then I wonder what the level of intrest is, you know hardcore fan, got dragged there (girlfriend, kids, etc.), or it&#039;s the place to be? I personally think motorsports in general is at a crossroads where old fans are gettin older and not being replaced while racing series are scratching their heads looking for younger fans and wondering why nobody&#039;s interested. The bottom line is the motorsports world needs to make racing interesting to a wider range of fan, how that happens nobody knows, but Indycar needs to figure it out and soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outside of Formula 1 and the NHRA I don&#8217;t think motorsports fans really care about qualifying anymore. The race it&#8217;s self seems to be the only thing that attracts fans nowadays and even then I wonder what the level of intrest is, you know hardcore fan, got dragged there (girlfriend, kids, etc.), or it&#8217;s the place to be? I personally think motorsports in general is at a crossroads where old fans are gettin older and not being replaced while racing series are scratching their heads looking for younger fans and wondering why nobody&#8217;s interested. The bottom line is the motorsports world needs to make racing interesting to a wider range of fan, how that happens nobody knows, but Indycar needs to figure it out and soon.</p>
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		<title>By: james t suel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[james t suel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 01:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SPEED IS WHAT HAS BEENMISSING!! Rules that allow progress and development and imagination! This is racing ,not some dam ball game! We build street cars with more horsepower than the Indy car of today. 900 hp back and you will get some repect for indycar again.Istill go to fast friday ,pole day and bump day only because of my love of the speedway and openwheel racing. 2013 will be my 53 500 all since 1960.get rid of some of the BS rules and lets race!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPEED IS WHAT HAS BEENMISSING!! Rules that allow progress and development and imagination! This is racing ,not some dam ball game! We build street cars with more horsepower than the Indy car of today. 900 hp back and you will get some repect for indycar again.Istill go to fast friday ,pole day and bump day only because of my love of the speedway and openwheel racing. 2013 will be my 53 500 all since 1960.get rid of some of the BS rules and lets race!!</p>
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		<title>By: @thechromehorn33</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[@thechromehorn33]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 01:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Would love to see pole day&#039;s prominence restored.  I imagine so would the 100,000 plus who use to attend.

Sadly, the HG family thought they had a better idea.  Instead of the nostalgic days we romanticize they thought 12 chances to qualify, a racing dentist, and spec cars were better.  

Now, the clown CEO they hired can&#039;t wait to put in a playoff no one wants and spend gobs of money improving the NASCAR event at the Speedway.  Clearly, they don&#039;t get it, and there&#039;s little evidence they ever will.

George, you run a heck of a blog, and I don&#039;t mean to be a Negative Nancy. If anything, I love this sport more than is healthy but am frustrated with the current state of affairs.  

While your point about speed is valid, realistically the economy will need to turn around if we&#039;ll ever see records fall.  

Keep up the good work.

Brian]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would love to see pole day&#8217;s prominence restored.  I imagine so would the 100,000 plus who use to attend.</p>
<p>Sadly, the HG family thought they had a better idea.  Instead of the nostalgic days we romanticize they thought 12 chances to qualify, a racing dentist, and spec cars were better.  </p>
<p>Now, the clown CEO they hired can&#8217;t wait to put in a playoff no one wants and spend gobs of money improving the NASCAR event at the Speedway.  Clearly, they don&#8217;t get it, and there&#8217;s little evidence they ever will.</p>
<p>George, you run a heck of a blog, and I don&#8217;t mean to be a Negative Nancy. If anything, I love this sport more than is healthy but am frustrated with the current state of affairs.  </p>
<p>While your point about speed is valid, realistically the economy will need to turn around if we&#8217;ll ever see records fall.  </p>
<p>Keep up the good work.</p>
<p>Brian</p>
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