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		<title>By: Pat W</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I liked the pre-2004 CART system a lot. I also like the top end of the current IndyCar system, it is just this bottom part I don&#039;t like so to be honest we only really need to see a tweak to that.
I strongly dislike awarding points just for showing up, so no points just for starting. At best I would say you get a point (or a half point) after reaching half distance.

I&#039;d prefer a system only awarding the top ten or twelve for all the reasons George explained, however some of the other commenters make good points about rewarding entrants who stick by the series rather than running a few races. Hence why I&#039;m willing to acquiesce on the half point. Mind you I always respected Sarah Fisher&#039;s old approach of running a well-presented car for half the races as opposed to some other teams running scruffy near-sponsorless cars for a full season.

F1 now rewards the top ten and a win is worth 25 to 18 for 2nd. The difference in that series is that every team MUST enter two cars at every race, by regulations, so there&#039;s no requirement to keep the bottom end happy with throwaway points.

I&#039;d drop all bonuses. Your reward for qualifying on pole is that you start on the pole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked the pre-2004 CART system a lot. I also like the top end of the current IndyCar system, it is just this bottom part I don&#8217;t like so to be honest we only really need to see a tweak to that.<br />
I strongly dislike awarding points just for showing up, so no points just for starting. At best I would say you get a point (or a half point) after reaching half distance.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d prefer a system only awarding the top ten or twelve for all the reasons George explained, however some of the other commenters make good points about rewarding entrants who stick by the series rather than running a few races. Hence why I&#8217;m willing to acquiesce on the half point. Mind you I always respected Sarah Fisher&#8217;s old approach of running a well-presented car for half the races as opposed to some other teams running scruffy near-sponsorless cars for a full season.</p>
<p>F1 now rewards the top ten and a win is worth 25 to 18 for 2nd. The difference in that series is that every team MUST enter two cars at every race, by regulations, so there&#8217;s no requirement to keep the bottom end happy with throwaway points.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d drop all bonuses. Your reward for qualifying on pole is that you start on the pole.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Wrona</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 04:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the points system&#039;s pretty perfect except for two things:

1. Bonus points for Indy 500 qualifying - that is just totally cheesy in my mind.

2. Half points for failing to start a race - it should be 0.  While I can see the argument for starts being rewarded, DNSes should NOT.

I don&#039;t see very many cars returning to the track after a crash in IndyCar (Power&#039;s incident at Fontana was generally considered a rarity), and while I find NASCAR&#039;s points system dreadful, I&#039;m perfectly fine with either a system that awards lower positions the same number of points, whether that number is 0 or not.

In this day and age, I think the entire field should probably score points to encourage greater car counts and because it&#039;s necessary to rank the lower teams with regard to owner&#039;s points and the TEAM program, but the CART system was certainly fine too.  The key is having the bottom positions score essentially the same points with 2nd place scoring 75%-80% of the winner&#039;s score.

NASCAR&#039;s problem has been awarding the top positions far too little and the bottom positions far too much, so that mid-pack finishes score substantially more points than DNFs, leading to comical outcomes such as:

1. Terry Labonte - 31 - 2 - 21 - 24
2. Jeff Gordon - 31 - 10 - 21 - 24

IndyCar doesn&#039;t have that, so it&#039;s fine.  NASCAR&#039;s obvious other problems are insisting that its fans couldn&#039;t understand a points system that wasn&#039;t dumbed down, and also the whole chase concept.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the points system&#8217;s pretty perfect except for two things:</p>
<p>1. Bonus points for Indy 500 qualifying &#8211; that is just totally cheesy in my mind.</p>
<p>2. Half points for failing to start a race &#8211; it should be 0.  While I can see the argument for starts being rewarded, DNSes should NOT.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see very many cars returning to the track after a crash in IndyCar (Power&#8217;s incident at Fontana was generally considered a rarity), and while I find NASCAR&#8217;s points system dreadful, I&#8217;m perfectly fine with either a system that awards lower positions the same number of points, whether that number is 0 or not.</p>
<p>In this day and age, I think the entire field should probably score points to encourage greater car counts and because it&#8217;s necessary to rank the lower teams with regard to owner&#8217;s points and the TEAM program, but the CART system was certainly fine too.  The key is having the bottom positions score essentially the same points with 2nd place scoring 75%-80% of the winner&#8217;s score.</p>
<p>NASCAR&#8217;s problem has been awarding the top positions far too little and the bottom positions far too much, so that mid-pack finishes score substantially more points than DNFs, leading to comical outcomes such as:</p>
<p>1. Terry Labonte &#8211; 31 &#8211; 2 &#8211; 21 &#8211; 24<br />
2. Jeff Gordon &#8211; 31 &#8211; 10 &#8211; 21 &#8211; 24</p>
<p>IndyCar doesn&#8217;t have that, so it&#8217;s fine.  NASCAR&#8217;s obvious other problems are insisting that its fans couldn&#8217;t understand a points system that wasn&#8217;t dumbed down, and also the whole chase concept.</p>
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		<title>By: billytheskink</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 20:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This may actually be better than the current prize money doled out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may actually be better than the current prize money doled out.</p>
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		<title>By: Tsong</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 19:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[如果在中国运行的种族然后我们给传统美味中餐巴菲特赢家和 2 号组合至第二位。第三位获得蛋卷。]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>如果在中国运行的种族然后我们给传统美味中餐巴菲特赢家和 2 号组合至第二位。第三位获得蛋卷。</p>
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		<title>By: redcar</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 19:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[seems fine to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seems fine to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve K</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 18:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are 100% dead on here George. I have been annoyed with the point system since I became a fan again when reunification happened. Just why are we giving out points for turning your engine on. Points should be a valuably commodity. The win is devalued significantly by someone who finishes 20th place. Use a different point system for owners if you must. Fans dont care about owners points. 

I would also like to see cars that stop out on track get a DNF like they do in F1. Why should anyone get the benefit of help from the marshalls? Get anti-stall working on these engines and lets get more serious about our racing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are 100% dead on here George. I have been annoyed with the point system since I became a fan again when reunification happened. Just why are we giving out points for turning your engine on. Points should be a valuably commodity. The win is devalued significantly by someone who finishes 20th place. Use a different point system for owners if you must. Fans dont care about owners points. </p>
<p>I would also like to see cars that stop out on track get a DNF like they do in F1. Why should anyone get the benefit of help from the marshalls? Get anti-stall working on these engines and lets get more serious about our racing.</p>
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		<title>By: mikamakka</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 18:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The current point system is perfect]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current point system is perfect</p>
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		<title>By: Muike Silver</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 16:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While the current system has made for dramatic championship battles,  I like the 12-position points system better.  I always thought that was the fairest points system ever.  Just because you are in a race doesn&#039;t mean you automatically get points.  Those points could still just go to the owners for leaders&#039; Circle purposes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the current system has made for dramatic championship battles,  I like the 12-position points system better.  I always thought that was the fairest points system ever.  Just because you are in a race doesn&#8217;t mean you automatically get points.  Those points could still just go to the owners for leaders&#8217; Circle purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: billytheskink</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 15:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like the 12 position CART point system better than the current point system because it makes earning points a greater accomplishment.  Nevertheless, I don&#039;t have a real problem with the current system, as it has made for plenty of interesting championship battles.  Also, giving points to everyone is a good way to determine who at the back of the pack is consistent enough to have earned their way into the TEAM/Leader&#039;s Circle/whatever prize money.

An interesting idea to make oval races a larger factor in the championship, go back to AAA/USAC&#039;s 1946-1977 12-position points system that awards more points for longer race distances (largely ovals these days).  A 200 mile road race would pay 400 points to the winner vs. a 500 mile oval race would pay 1000.  Not entirely fair, sure, but certainly interesting.

The 2012 top 5 using this system would be:
Scott Dixon..............3175
Ryan Hunter-Reay...2990
Helio Castroneves....2735
Dario Franchitti.........2620
Will Power.................2565

And it is worth noting that heading into Fontana, Power&#039;s 2565 points would have topped the standings, with Dixon in second, 90 points behind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the 12 position CART point system better than the current point system because it makes earning points a greater accomplishment.  Nevertheless, I don&#8217;t have a real problem with the current system, as it has made for plenty of interesting championship battles.  Also, giving points to everyone is a good way to determine who at the back of the pack is consistent enough to have earned their way into the TEAM/Leader&#8217;s Circle/whatever prize money.</p>
<p>An interesting idea to make oval races a larger factor in the championship, go back to AAA/USAC&#8217;s 1946-1977 12-position points system that awards more points for longer race distances (largely ovals these days).  A 200 mile road race would pay 400 points to the winner vs. a 500 mile oval race would pay 1000.  Not entirely fair, sure, but certainly interesting.</p>
<p>The 2012 top 5 using this system would be:<br />
Scott Dixon&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..3175<br />
Ryan Hunter-Reay&#8230;2990<br />
Helio Castroneves&#8230;.2735<br />
Dario Franchitti&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;2620<br />
Will Power&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..2565</p>
<p>And it is worth noting that heading into Fontana, Power&#8217;s 2565 points would have topped the standings, with Dixon in second, 90 points behind.</p>
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		<title>By: billytheskink</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 14:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s not the (1984-2003) CART points structure, that&#039;s the points structure ChampCar used from 2004-2007 that paid points out to the top 20 (in a series with 17-19 car fields).

Power wins the championship 147-146 over Hunter-Reay using the 12 position CART points system.  There is a little bit of shuffling through the rest of the field, no one gains or loses more than a couple of positions in the standings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not the (1984-2003) CART points structure, that&#8217;s the points structure ChampCar used from 2004-2007 that paid points out to the top 20 (in a series with 17-19 car fields).</p>
<p>Power wins the championship 147-146 over Hunter-Reay using the 12 position CART points system.  There is a little bit of shuffling through the rest of the field, no one gains or loses more than a couple of positions in the standings.</p>
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