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		<title>By: Simon Garfunkel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Garfunkel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;ll never happen nor do I think it should happen. But this discussion  is why I come to this site more than any other. While other bloggers try to outsnark each other, Oilpressure continues to deliver thought provoking topics. Thanks for what you do and keep up the good work George.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;ll never happen nor do I think it should happen. But this discussion  is why I come to this site more than any other. While other bloggers try to outsnark each other, Oilpressure continues to deliver thought provoking topics. Thanks for what you do and keep up the good work George.</p>
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		<title>By: billytheskink</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[billytheskink]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No one has mentioned the biggest reason why Cup drivers step down to the minor leagues... SPONSORS.  Cup drivers who interlope into Nationwide certainly like the extra seat time and the handful of prize money to be had, but more than anything, they are there because a sponsor pays for them to be.

As has been said, Sportsman/GrandNational/Busch/Nationwide (and Trucks) function as both development series and as destination series for those not moneyed or talented enough to stay in Cup.  As NASCAR rose in the 1990s, sponsors started funding Cup drivers in Busch Grand National in order to get their name on a well-known driver&#039;s car.  They did this for at least one of two reasons, to be associated with a Cup driver at a cheaper rate and/or to be on the hood of a car driven by a Cup driver who had an unrelinquishing  full-season sponsor in Cup.  More sponsorship and more recognition for star drivers was good for Busch and for NASCAR as a whole, so they saw no reason to discourage this unless/until it stopped working.

IndyCar regulars would be invading Indy Lights with regularity if there were sponsors interested in paying them to be there.  It seems unlikely that will ever happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one has mentioned the biggest reason why Cup drivers step down to the minor leagues&#8230; SPONSORS.  Cup drivers who interlope into Nationwide certainly like the extra seat time and the handful of prize money to be had, but more than anything, they are there because a sponsor pays for them to be.</p>
<p>As has been said, Sportsman/GrandNational/Busch/Nationwide (and Trucks) function as both development series and as destination series for those not moneyed or talented enough to stay in Cup.  As NASCAR rose in the 1990s, sponsors started funding Cup drivers in Busch Grand National in order to get their name on a well-known driver&#8217;s car.  They did this for at least one of two reasons, to be associated with a Cup driver at a cheaper rate and/or to be on the hood of a car driven by a Cup driver who had an unrelinquishing  full-season sponsor in Cup.  More sponsorship and more recognition for star drivers was good for Busch and for NASCAR as a whole, so they saw no reason to discourage this unless/until it stopped working.</p>
<p>IndyCar regulars would be invading Indy Lights with regularity if there were sponsors interested in paying them to be there.  It seems unlikely that will ever happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob F.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob F.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it would be a great idea for one big reason.  There are far too many drivers today who lack oval racing experience.  Not too many years ago, they would not have been allowed to race.  This lead to the disaster at Las Vegas last year.

So why not have the drivers with limited experience either on ovals or road courses run in the Indy Lights.  I see a win-win situation here.   Better driving in the big leagues and more exposure for the minor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would be a great idea for one big reason.  There are far too many drivers today who lack oval racing experience.  Not too many years ago, they would not have been allowed to race.  This lead to the disaster at Las Vegas last year.</p>
<p>So why not have the drivers with limited experience either on ovals or road courses run in the Indy Lights.  I see a win-win situation here.   Better driving in the big leagues and more exposure for the minor.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian from NY</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian from NY]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 03:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple of points George.  In the 60&#039;s, GP2 wasn&#039;t really a  developmental series.  In fact often teams ran GP2 cars in F1 events.  It had more to do with the rules concerning engine&#039;s and often the GP2 cars were just as fast and on occasion were faster then some F1 cars.  The drivers also ran in sportscars and series like the Tasmain series down under in the winter to make money.  Your friend can&#039;t use the Jim Clark example because it&#039;s 50 years old, times change.  Hell, Mario and AJ won the Daytona 500 back then, should IndyCar drivers be lining up to run Daytona?

F1 has rules that bans drivers who have won championships in GP2 from competing again in that series.  The reason for that is if you can win the championship in GP2 you are ready for F1.  Why take a spot from another potential  young driver for some old guy like Ron Hornaday or Mike Skinner in NASCAR.  The fact that NASCAR doesn&#039;t have rules preventing guys from running in a developmental series hurt them in the long run.  Besides Keslowski, how many young guys have made it up the ladder from Nationwide that have made an impact in Sprint Cup in the last ten years?  Where&#039;s the future young guns of NASCAR?  F1 has new guys every year that move up the ladder and make a impact.  Hamiliton, Vettal, Hulkenburg, Maldanto, Senna, and Grojean are just some of the drivers in the last couple of years that have made an impact in F1.  

I also hate the argument that it&#039;s good for the young guys to race against the veterans, BS.  How is it good when the Sprint Cup guys get the best equipment, and the top crews,  The Nationwide regulars are usually a half a lap behind during the race, so how are they learning anything?  The sprint cup guys have a race among themselves with maybe one nationwide guy up in the top ten.  The GP2 and GP3 series are so good because of the rules that keep the cars so close in performance.  It&#039;s about letting the drivers shine, not which team spends the most money.  Nationwide is like Sprint Cup where the big teams (Roush, Gibbs, Earnhardt, Penske) dominate because they have the most money.  It&#039;s not a developmental series; it&#039;s a stand alone series with a different rules package. 

Unfortunately, NASCAR will continue down this road to their detriment.  I think you are starting to see the decline now.  Ratings and attendance are declining, the drivers are getting older, fans are getting older, and NASCAR is trying desperately to attract young fans back to the sport.  IndyCar has a similar problem as NASCAR.  The lack of a  good developmental series has made the series seem stale.  TK, Dario, Helio, and Servia are no spring chickens.  They were all driving in CART back in the day.  In my mind the series with the strongest developmental series is F1.  They are also the most popular and strongest race series in the world.  I wonder why?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of points George.  In the 60&#8242;s, GP2 wasn&#8217;t really a  developmental series.  In fact often teams ran GP2 cars in F1 events.  It had more to do with the rules concerning engine&#8217;s and often the GP2 cars were just as fast and on occasion were faster then some F1 cars.  The drivers also ran in sportscars and series like the Tasmain series down under in the winter to make money.  Your friend can&#8217;t use the Jim Clark example because it&#8217;s 50 years old, times change.  Hell, Mario and AJ won the Daytona 500 back then, should IndyCar drivers be lining up to run Daytona?</p>
<p>F1 has rules that bans drivers who have won championships in GP2 from competing again in that series.  The reason for that is if you can win the championship in GP2 you are ready for F1.  Why take a spot from another potential  young driver for some old guy like Ron Hornaday or Mike Skinner in NASCAR.  The fact that NASCAR doesn&#8217;t have rules preventing guys from running in a developmental series hurt them in the long run.  Besides Keslowski, how many young guys have made it up the ladder from Nationwide that have made an impact in Sprint Cup in the last ten years?  Where&#8217;s the future young guns of NASCAR?  F1 has new guys every year that move up the ladder and make a impact.  Hamiliton, Vettal, Hulkenburg, Maldanto, Senna, and Grojean are just some of the drivers in the last couple of years that have made an impact in F1.  </p>
<p>I also hate the argument that it&#8217;s good for the young guys to race against the veterans, BS.  How is it good when the Sprint Cup guys get the best equipment, and the top crews,  The Nationwide regulars are usually a half a lap behind during the race, so how are they learning anything?  The sprint cup guys have a race among themselves with maybe one nationwide guy up in the top ten.  The GP2 and GP3 series are so good because of the rules that keep the cars so close in performance.  It&#8217;s about letting the drivers shine, not which team spends the most money.  Nationwide is like Sprint Cup where the big teams (Roush, Gibbs, Earnhardt, Penske) dominate because they have the most money.  It&#8217;s not a developmental series; it&#8217;s a stand alone series with a different rules package. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, NASCAR will continue down this road to their detriment.  I think you are starting to see the decline now.  Ratings and attendance are declining, the drivers are getting older, fans are getting older, and NASCAR is trying desperately to attract young fans back to the sport.  IndyCar has a similar problem as NASCAR.  The lack of a  good developmental series has made the series seem stale.  TK, Dario, Helio, and Servia are no spring chickens.  They were all driving in CART back in the day.  In my mind the series with the strongest developmental series is F1.  They are also the most popular and strongest race series in the world.  I wonder why?</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Ford</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good points Steve.  Certainly the Indy Lights cars need to be closer in performance to IndyCars.  TG Jr. is working to make that a reality, but money is very tight right now.

In my opinion Danica should stay primarily in Nationwide for another year.  I believe her crew chief just said the same.  Otherwise, she may  wash out of Cup just like Hornish did.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points Steve.  Certainly the Indy Lights cars need to be closer in performance to IndyCars.  TG Jr. is working to make that a reality, but money is very tight right now.</p>
<p>In my opinion Danica should stay primarily in Nationwide for another year.  I believe her crew chief just said the same.  Otherwise, she may  wash out of Cup just like Hornish did.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[F1 has a rule against racing in another series in a given weekend. This affected Jaime Alguesauri a couple years ago. He still raced in Formula Renault on non-F1 weeks when he replaced Bourdais. 

The big reason has touched on a bit is Nationwide-Trucks-Pro Series E &amp; W-ARCA are not development series. They do some development, but the are destinations. Ron Hornaday will make the NASCAR HoF as a truck driver. They put a Modified driver in the second class! An old man just won the ARCA Race in Clermont. The old man, Frank Kimmel, has made a career out of beating young kids. You do not see old men (or women) in IndyCar or European ladder season.  Those are purely development series for kids. 

Should IndyCar drivers race in IndyLights? The way things stand, no. If the Lights car were closer to the IndyCar, I could see some value in younger guys like Newgarden, JR, or Hinch racing in both. The testing ban in NASCAR has left a huge generational gap. How else can a young driver improve his craft? Brad K, Kyle, &amp; Carl have benefitted greatly in racing in both. Joe Gibbs made a rare mistake not having Joey Logano do the same.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>F1 has a rule against racing in another series in a given weekend. This affected Jaime Alguesauri a couple years ago. He still raced in Formula Renault on non-F1 weeks when he replaced Bourdais. </p>
<p>The big reason has touched on a bit is Nationwide-Trucks-Pro Series E &amp; W-ARCA are not development series. They do some development, but the are destinations. Ron Hornaday will make the NASCAR HoF as a truck driver. They put a Modified driver in the second class! An old man just won the ARCA Race in Clermont. The old man, Frank Kimmel, has made a career out of beating young kids. You do not see old men (or women) in IndyCar or European ladder season.  Those are purely development series for kids. </p>
<p>Should IndyCar drivers race in IndyLights? The way things stand, no. If the Lights car were closer to the IndyCar, I could see some value in younger guys like Newgarden, JR, or Hinch racing in both. The testing ban in NASCAR has left a huge generational gap. How else can a young driver improve his craft? Brad K, Kyle, &amp; Carl have benefitted greatly in racing in both. Joe Gibbs made a rare mistake not having Joey Logano do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Savage Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Savage Henry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I never saw NNS as a developmental series or part of a ladder system, as such.  I see NNS and trucks as just lesser NASCAR series where drivers can either prove themselves to move up or create a career for themselves at that level.  Do NNS champions get automatic advancement into Sprint Cup each year?  I don&#039;t think that they do (although I actually don&#039;t know).  Its ok for Sprint Cup drivers to race in NNS because it&#039;s just another series and another paycheck for them to be able to cash.  They may not be stealing an opportunity for another deserving driver.

I think that since Indy Lights is explicitly part of a ladder system it would be kind of silly for drivers in the big cars to be racing down there.  That would kind of defeat the purpose of the ladder system (and they may be taking a seat from someone else).  However, if someone like Saavedra needs to go back down for some more seasoning, that makes sense.  

Other reasons possibly IndyCar regulars don&#039;t race down there may include 1) safety (as stated in other comments); 2) the physical stress on driver&#039;s bodies are much higher in open wheel than in NASCAR, would an IndyCar driver be able to hold up to double-duty on any given weekend?; 3) time - IndyCar drivers spend a lot more time on car setup and sponsor commitments than in NASCAR (according to Danica&#039;s interview with Curt Cavin last week), would IndyCar drivers have time to do both?

In the end, none of those reasons  may be valid.  However, I just don&#039;t like the idea of major-leaguers running in the minor leagues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never saw NNS as a developmental series or part of a ladder system, as such.  I see NNS and trucks as just lesser NASCAR series where drivers can either prove themselves to move up or create a career for themselves at that level.  Do NNS champions get automatic advancement into Sprint Cup each year?  I don&#8217;t think that they do (although I actually don&#8217;t know).  Its ok for Sprint Cup drivers to race in NNS because it&#8217;s just another series and another paycheck for them to be able to cash.  They may not be stealing an opportunity for another deserving driver.</p>
<p>I think that since Indy Lights is explicitly part of a ladder system it would be kind of silly for drivers in the big cars to be racing down there.  That would kind of defeat the purpose of the ladder system (and they may be taking a seat from someone else).  However, if someone like Saavedra needs to go back down for some more seasoning, that makes sense.  </p>
<p>Other reasons possibly IndyCar regulars don&#8217;t race down there may include 1) safety (as stated in other comments); 2) the physical stress on driver&#8217;s bodies are much higher in open wheel than in NASCAR, would an IndyCar driver be able to hold up to double-duty on any given weekend?; 3) time &#8211; IndyCar drivers spend a lot more time on car setup and sponsor commitments than in NASCAR (according to Danica&#8217;s interview with Curt Cavin last week), would IndyCar drivers have time to do both?</p>
<p>In the end, none of those reasons  may be valid.  However, I just don&#8217;t like the idea of major-leaguers running in the minor leagues.</p>
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		<title>By: The Lapper</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NASCAR is an odd one but I think I understand their thought on this. As an example, Trevor Bayne wins the Daytona 500 with a third tier team, but in reality is a Nationwide driver. On the flip side, Indy Lights driver Sebastián Saavedra had his hands full coming in 26th place at this past year&#039;s Indianapolis 500.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NASCAR is an odd one but I think I understand their thought on this. As an example, Trevor Bayne wins the Daytona 500 with a third tier team, but in reality is a Nationwide driver. On the flip side, Indy Lights driver Sebastián Saavedra had his hands full coming in 26th place at this past year&#8217;s Indianapolis 500.</p>
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		<title>By: Tha Lapper</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tha Lapper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dario, Scott Dixon or Will power running against the Light guys is a dangerous notion. There are no fenders to protect them from a second tier driver&#039;s error.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dario, Scott Dixon or Will power running against the Light guys is a dangerous notion. There are no fenders to protect them from a second tier driver&#8217;s error.</p>
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		<title>By: redcar</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why doesn&#039;t Derek Jeter play for the Charleston River Dogs on his off days?  Why doesn&#039;t LeBron James get in some extra games with the Idaho Stampede of the D-League?  Why doesn&#039;t Tom Brady play for the Montreal Alouettes in the off-season?  Why doesn&#039;t Harrison Ford do summer stock theater at the old library in Poolie, Oklahoma?  

Because it&#039;s the minor leagues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why doesn&#8217;t Derek Jeter play for the Charleston River Dogs on his off days?  Why doesn&#8217;t LeBron James get in some extra games with the Idaho Stampede of the D-League?  Why doesn&#8217;t Tom Brady play for the Montreal Alouettes in the off-season?  Why doesn&#8217;t Harrison Ford do summer stock theater at the old library in Poolie, Oklahoma?  </p>
<p>Because it&#8217;s the minor leagues.</p>
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