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		<title>By: Oilpressure</title>
		<link>http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/this-years-dark-cloud/#comment-11703</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oilpressure]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 17:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The qualifier in my statement is &quot;...at this level&quot;. Show me where a Judd engine at this level has won other than the example sited before leveling the charge as being &quot;incredibly ignorant&quot; at me. - GP]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The qualifier in my statement is &#8220;&#8230;at this level&#8221;. Show me where a Judd engine at this level has won other than the example sited before leveling the charge as being &#8220;incredibly ignorant&#8221; at me. &#8211; GP</p>
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		<title>By: rj</title>
		<link>http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/this-years-dark-cloud/#comment-11701</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 17:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The guys who tried to qualify for Indy in stockblocks and old Offys in the early 80′s and the guys who couldn’t get the Greenfield and those enormous ancient Cosworths up to speed in the early 90′s are probably wondering what is with all the fuss about running a Lotus.&quot;

I agree with billytheskink here. What has happened in auto racing is everyone in multiple forms of the sport has become professional and the end effect of this is they all converged onto whatever the winning formula is and they want to use this formula and only it. People decry IRL for going spec in the mid-2000s, but it wasn&#039;t their choice. G-Force/Panoz dropped out of developing their car to be sole supplier for ChampCar after awhile when it became clear Dallara was superior, and Toyota and Chevy both left when Honda became top dog. I think the last major full-season team to have the G-Force was Rahal circa 2005 and I imagine if you were Bobby you thought to yourself &quot;I can develop this car myself when it&#039;s at 98% of the Dallara, or I can just use what everyone else is running and not suffer being behind doing development.&quot;

Now for people that want engine and car competition, that statement sucks, but if you were Rahal wouldn&#039;t you do the same thing? It costs too much money to be running at a disadvantage. The G-Force never got kicked out, it was ran by Playa del Racing at Indy for a couple years and I remember Phil Giebler attempting one in maybe 2008.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The guys who tried to qualify for Indy in stockblocks and old Offys in the early 80′s and the guys who couldn’t get the Greenfield and those enormous ancient Cosworths up to speed in the early 90′s are probably wondering what is with all the fuss about running a Lotus.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with billytheskink here. What has happened in auto racing is everyone in multiple forms of the sport has become professional and the end effect of this is they all converged onto whatever the winning formula is and they want to use this formula and only it. People decry IRL for going spec in the mid-2000s, but it wasn&#8217;t their choice. G-Force/Panoz dropped out of developing their car to be sole supplier for ChampCar after awhile when it became clear Dallara was superior, and Toyota and Chevy both left when Honda became top dog. I think the last major full-season team to have the G-Force was Rahal circa 2005 and I imagine if you were Bobby you thought to yourself &#8220;I can develop this car myself when it&#8217;s at 98% of the Dallara, or I can just use what everyone else is running and not suffer being behind doing development.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now for people that want engine and car competition, that statement sucks, but if you were Rahal wouldn&#8217;t you do the same thing? It costs too much money to be running at a disadvantage. The G-Force never got kicked out, it was ran by Playa del Racing at Indy for a couple years and I remember Phil Giebler attempting one in maybe 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: rj</title>
		<link>http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/this-years-dark-cloud/#comment-11700</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 17:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Quite frankly, they aligned themselves with an inadequate engine builder in John Judd. When has Judd ever produced a winning engine at this level? Bobby Rahal gave Judd its only CART victory in 1988 at Pocono.&quot;

Sir, I enjoy most of your comments but this statement by you here is incredibly ignorant. Judd is a great engine builder and their record in multiple racing series shows it. We don&#039;t base the competitiveness of this year&#039;s Chevrolet engine on the fact they had to pay Cosworth to build them an engine in 2005 do we?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Quite frankly, they aligned themselves with an inadequate engine builder in John Judd. When has Judd ever produced a winning engine at this level? Bobby Rahal gave Judd its only CART victory in 1988 at Pocono.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sir, I enjoy most of your comments but this statement by you here is incredibly ignorant. Judd is a great engine builder and their record in multiple racing series shows it. We don&#8217;t base the competitiveness of this year&#8217;s Chevrolet engine on the fact they had to pay Cosworth to build them an engine in 2005 do we?</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/this-years-dark-cloud/#comment-11661</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 22:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indycar created a engine market that is comparable to rent controlled apartments.   You put a price cap that is below the cost of running/maintaining and you have a limited field and minimum investment.

Indycar didn&#039;t even understand the economic model they were creating.  They own the blame.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indycar created a engine market that is comparable to rent controlled apartments.   You put a price cap that is below the cost of running/maintaining and you have a limited field and minimum investment.</p>
<p>Indycar didn&#8217;t even understand the economic model they were creating.  They own the blame.</p>
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		<title>By: james t suel</title>
		<link>http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/this-years-dark-cloud/#comment-11641</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 23:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Indycar &amp; Lotus share the blame! Indycar let Loyus in hopelessy behind! Lotus gets the lions share of the blame,no dout. but Indycar set back an let it happen. Its the series job to make sure there partners are up to snuff! Why have we not seen some upgrades for the Loyus engine? Honda sure got one??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Indycar &amp; Lotus share the blame! Indycar let Loyus in hopelessy behind! Lotus gets the lions share of the blame,no dout. but Indycar set back an let it happen. Its the series job to make sure there partners are up to snuff! Why have we not seen some upgrades for the Loyus engine? Honda sure got one??</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/this-years-dark-cloud/#comment-11639</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 20:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blaming IndyCar is a bunch of bull. Lotus has dropped the ball and shifting the attention to the series is just wrong. If Lotus was up to par and cou;ld supply their share we would not even be talking about enough engines.Lotus was supposed to supply one third of the field and they cannot even supply five cars. Chevy and Honda now have to pick up the Lotus car counts and to say IndyCar is to blame is just bullshit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blaming IndyCar is a bunch of bull. Lotus has dropped the ball and shifting the attention to the series is just wrong. If Lotus was up to par and cou;ld supply their share we would not even be talking about enough engines.Lotus was supposed to supply one third of the field and they cannot even supply five cars. Chevy and Honda now have to pick up the Lotus car counts and to say IndyCar is to blame is just bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: billytheskink</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 18:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, the &quot;fault&quot; (a poor word choice, I think) for this situation lies entirely with IndyCar&#039;s cost and competition-control rules regarding the engines.  I am not convinced we would like the car count at Indy much better if the rules were more open or the motors more expensive (or both), but we will never know for sure so I won&#039;t sweat it.

Second, the amount of complaining about and utter lack of patience with Lotus, not just from fans but from teams and owners, illustrates just how long it has been since we&#039;ve seen engine competition.  We seem to have awfully short memories.  Have we really all forgotten Alfa-Romeo, Nissan-Infiniti, Porsche, and the fact that it took Toyota&#039;s CART program nearly 3 years to score a top-5 finish?  It is unfortunate that talented and well-liked drivers and teams have to use an uncompetitive engine, but before this past decade, that was life in IndyCar racing.
Should Bryan Herta, DRR, Dragon, Michael Shank, etc. be entitled to a competitive engine?  If so, it would be the first time in IndyCar racing history for that to be the case.

The guys who tried to qualify for Indy in stockblocks and old Offys in the early 80&#039;s and the guys who couldn&#039;t get the Greenfield and those enormous ancient Cosworths up to speed in the early 90&#039;s are probably wondering what is with all the fuss about running a Lotus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, the &#8220;fault&#8221; (a poor word choice, I think) for this situation lies entirely with IndyCar&#8217;s cost and competition-control rules regarding the engines.  I am not convinced we would like the car count at Indy much better if the rules were more open or the motors more expensive (or both), but we will never know for sure so I won&#8217;t sweat it.</p>
<p>Second, the amount of complaining about and utter lack of patience with Lotus, not just from fans but from teams and owners, illustrates just how long it has been since we&#8217;ve seen engine competition.  We seem to have awfully short memories.  Have we really all forgotten Alfa-Romeo, Nissan-Infiniti, Porsche, and the fact that it took Toyota&#8217;s CART program nearly 3 years to score a top-5 finish?  It is unfortunate that talented and well-liked drivers and teams have to use an uncompetitive engine, but before this past decade, that was life in IndyCar racing.<br />
Should Bryan Herta, DRR, Dragon, Michael Shank, etc. be entitled to a competitive engine?  If so, it would be the first time in IndyCar racing history for that to be the case.</p>
<p>The guys who tried to qualify for Indy in stockblocks and old Offys in the early 80&#8242;s and the guys who couldn&#8217;t get the Greenfield and those enormous ancient Cosworths up to speed in the early 90&#8242;s are probably wondering what is with all the fuss about running a Lotus.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob West</title>
		<link>http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/this-years-dark-cloud/#comment-11637</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 18:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What more can be expected when he &quot;leadership&quot; isn&#039;t technically competent and &quot;the bottom line&quot; is their focus ! Poor planning and the lack of inputs from those to whom &quot;racing&quot; is their living can only result in a fiasco ! I long for the days of the Offy , Novi , and &quot;stock-block&quot; engines . Consider the advances in diesel power ; IRL management should look at opening the field to the power plants from diesel manufacturers who race at LeMans . Put &quot;the proving ground&quot; aspect back in the 500 and watch the interest grow from teams to fans ! 

Phantom 97]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What more can be expected when he &#8220;leadership&#8221; isn&#8217;t technically competent and &#8220;the bottom line&#8221; is their focus ! Poor planning and the lack of inputs from those to whom &#8220;racing&#8221; is their living can only result in a fiasco ! I long for the days of the Offy , Novi , and &#8220;stock-block&#8221; engines . Consider the advances in diesel power ; IRL management should look at opening the field to the power plants from diesel manufacturers who race at LeMans . Put &#8220;the proving ground&#8221; aspect back in the 500 and watch the interest grow from teams to fans ! </p>
<p>Phantom 97</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/this-years-dark-cloud/#comment-11635</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 16:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lotus hasn&#039;t exactly helped their reputation with their dueling group lotus Renault teams in F1, but then again I don&#039;t really draw a connection to whatever Lotus was in the 60&#039;s with these buttass operations we&#039;ve seen the last few years in F1 and IndyCar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lotus hasn&#8217;t exactly helped their reputation with their dueling group lotus Renault teams in F1, but then again I don&#8217;t really draw a connection to whatever Lotus was in the 60&#8242;s with these buttass operations we&#8217;ve seen the last few years in F1 and IndyCar.</p>
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		<title>By: Carburetor</title>
		<link>http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/this-years-dark-cloud/#comment-11632</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 15:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that it is unfortunate that the Lotus engine has come up so inferior, but realistically we should have expected such differentiation among the manufacturers.  Frankly, I&#039;m not sure the Honda engines can keep up with the Chevy&#039;s this year.  My sincere hope is that Lotus will regroup and work to improve their product and come back stronger than ever next year.  If I recall, Lotus was the only manufacturer to express interest in altering/developing their own aero package also--which is really the first step in differentiating the cars--which many of us have been clamoring for.  They seem commited to INDYCAR, which I believe is a good thing in these times of uncertainty.

I do not pretend to know any of the details leading up to the selection of this engine specification, but INDYCAR should have given more thought to the ramifications of limited interest in participation by manufacturers  and the availability of powerplants in the initial year of the new formula.  Personally, I think we are going to see a lot of inactivity at the track this month during practice time as most all of these teams will be holding back for fear of expiration of their limited engine supply.  If that happens, it will be a disaster from a marketing/promotion viewpoint for a series that is struggling to gain marketshare.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that it is unfortunate that the Lotus engine has come up so inferior, but realistically we should have expected such differentiation among the manufacturers.  Frankly, I&#8217;m not sure the Honda engines can keep up with the Chevy&#8217;s this year.  My sincere hope is that Lotus will regroup and work to improve their product and come back stronger than ever next year.  If I recall, Lotus was the only manufacturer to express interest in altering/developing their own aero package also&#8211;which is really the first step in differentiating the cars&#8211;which many of us have been clamoring for.  They seem commited to INDYCAR, which I believe is a good thing in these times of uncertainty.</p>
<p>I do not pretend to know any of the details leading up to the selection of this engine specification, but INDYCAR should have given more thought to the ramifications of limited interest in participation by manufacturers  and the availability of powerplants in the initial year of the new formula.  Personally, I think we are going to see a lot of inactivity at the track this month during practice time as most all of these teams will be holding back for fear of expiration of their limited engine supply.  If that happens, it will be a disaster from a marketing/promotion viewpoint for a series that is struggling to gain marketshare.</p>
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