Comments on: The Proverbial Can Of Worms http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/the-proverbial-can-of-worms/ Speed is Life Sun, 19 May 2013 13:07:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: George http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/the-proverbial-can-of-worms/#comment-8456 Mon, 29 Aug 2011 13:24:45 +0000 https://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/the-proverbial-can-of-worms/#comment-8456 randy bernard says not enough people posting on facebook to fire brian. keep posting it worked for donald trump !

]]> By: billytheskink http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/the-proverbial-can-of-worms/#comment-8399 Thu, 25 Aug 2011 00:12:59 +0000 https://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/the-proverbial-can-of-worms/#comment-8399 While I’ve long supported the idea of replacing Barnhart, I have never been vehement about it because I think the series has several larger fish to fry and also because Randy keeping a member of the old “regime” was a good political move in a time of so many significant changes.

Barnhart’s removal has been totally justified for years, but Chief steward’s are allowed a few mistakes because (unless they occur at Indy) no one remembers them. They aren’t allowed to lose the respect of the teams and drivers they police, though, and Barnhart has done that. The New Hampshire race really ought to be the straw that break’s the camel’s back, nd I’d be surprised if he survives the offseason.

]]> By: Ron Ford http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/the-proverbial-can-of-worms/#comment-8398 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 23:19:39 +0000 https://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/the-proverbial-can-of-worms/#comment-8398 I believe that some of “the sky is falling” comments left here and elsewhere, while displaying fan’s passion for the series, are a bit over the top. In fact, except for IndyCar fanatics, most people are not even aware of the controversy. Robin Miller will keep it going simply because of his anti-Barnhart obsession.

I believe that along with a new car and new engines for 2012, there will likely be a revised rule book. Hopefully that will be done in a calm atmosphere, with all deliberate speed, and with input from the owners and drivers.

]]> By: Ron Ford http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/the-proverbial-can-of-worms/#comment-8397 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 23:08:20 +0000 https://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/the-proverbial-can-of-worms/#comment-8397 Actually, if Danica had not spun, others would have quickly spun and the race would not have remained green as you suggest. Many of the drivers expressed the view that when they got to turn one there would have been a festival of spinning.

I believe the rulebook needs to have some changes made, but I also believe that any race director needs to have some discretionary powers. That is true for most sports.

I think that Mr. Barnhart was most reluctant to have the race finish under yellow and made the wrong decision in authorizing a green flag. I also think he made the right decision in aborting the restart.

Orviol Servia, while a fine driver, has won only one race in over 150 starts. If I were him I would not want my second win to have an asterisk next to it in the stats book.

]]> By: Leigh O'Gorman http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/the-proverbial-can-of-worms/#comment-8396 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:00:48 +0000 https://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/the-proverbial-can-of-worms/#comment-8396 No, unless it has been leaked.

]]> By: Chris Lukens http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/the-proverbial-can-of-worms/#comment-8395 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:50:48 +0000 https://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/the-proverbial-can-of-worms/#comment-8395 This is a serious question. Is the rulebook online anywhere so that an average fan can read it?

]]> By: SkipinSC http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/the-proverbial-can-of-worms/#comment-8394 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:07:06 +0000 https://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/the-proverbial-can-of-worms/#comment-8394 As to the poll, I think if you re-write the rulebook eliminating some or most of the discretionary powers of the Chief Steward, I am good with that. I also think, in retrospect, that someone, ANYONE with an ear to the cockpit communications should have called off the re-start in question.

For the last portion of the race, RHR seemed to have the field covered. To take the win away from him, based on what Barnhart admits was a MISTAKE, does NOT seem like justice to me. Let’s be real. Barnhart came out and admitted that the re-start should hot have happened. Frankly, that is MORE than I expected of him given his penchant for selective enforcement and “rules” interpretation.

One thing is certain: This series cannot afford to appear anything but above-board. We’ve all seen the effect that “phantom cautions” had on NASCAR, and frankly INDYCAR needs a more concrete rulebook.

]]> By: Nomex http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/the-proverbial-can-of-worms/#comment-8393 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 18:54:49 +0000 https://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/the-proverbial-can-of-worms/#comment-8393 Huh???

]]> By: Br!an McKay in Florida http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/the-proverbial-can-of-worms/#comment-8392 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:58:05 +0000 https://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/the-proverbial-can-of-worms/#comment-8392 “Randy Bernard should appoint a committee to start ripping apart the current INDYCAR rulebook and start over for 2012. Get rid of the gray areas”
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“It was an error in judgement, but not a mistake … the last green was legal, and the pass for the lead was legal. Even if Oriol only led for 20 feet … it was the last 20 feet and it should count.”

]]> By: Simona Fan http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/the-proverbial-can-of-worms/#comment-8391 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:12:49 +0000 https://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/the-proverbial-can-of-worms/#comment-8391 I have no idea what they will rule, but I have an opinion of what they should rule. The issue is not that the Race Director made a call and the teams are arguing with it. The issue is that the Race Director made a decision, didn’t like the outcome, and literally erased legal racing from the record book. I don’t think IndyCar wants to set the precedent that the Race Director has that power or else he’ll always be petitioned to eliminate some racing.

The “mistake” that we talk about (going green when it was wet) wasn’t a real mistake. A mistake would be if they wanted it yellow and the flagman threw the green instead. Or if timing and scoring got messed up and counted to lap 226 instead of lap 225. Those are mistakes. Race Control wanted it to go green, asked for it to go green, went green, and THEN decided it was the wrong call when Patrick spun. Had she not spun, they would have left it green. It was an error in judgement but not a mistake they needed to go fix.

Since the last green was legal, and the pass for the lead was legal. Even if Oriol only led for 20 feet as RHR says, it was the last 20 feet and it should count.

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