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	<title>Comments on: Randy&#8217;s First Real Hiccup</title>
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		<title>By: The Speedgeek</title>
		<link>http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/01/26/randys-first-real-hiccup/#comment-6418</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Speedgeek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;That puts you at the back of the lead lap with old tires and low fuel.&quot;

Then, you&#039;re left doing what you would have been doing without the new rule changes: waiting for a second yellow flag in order to level the difference between you and everybody else on the lead lap. In the old system, if you pitted just before a yellow and got caught a lap down, you&#039;d have to pass your way up through the leaders and then catch another yellow, because there&#039;s basically no way to make up an entire lap under green flag conditions. Or, if everybody in front of you pitted and you wound up the first car in line (i.e at the back of the lead lap), you&#039;d get a wave around, just like I think they&#039;ll do if you&#039;re first in line but at the tail of the lead lap under the new rule.

You are right that you can get screwed by one (or two, or just a handful) of lead lap cars staying out, then you get put behind all the other lead lap cars. That is worse, but I think it&#039;s a relatively small cost in order to make sure that the lap down cars don&#039;t screw up restarts, like in the case that you have the leader, then four lap down cars, then 2nd, 3rd, 4th, like what happened a lot before (I distinctly remember this happeneing at Kansas last year, because Pressdog and I talked about it right after the race). I&#039;d rather that the leaders have a shot at changing position, especially late in the race.

Really, I don&#039;t think that this rule change requires an adoption of the &quot;Lucky Dog&quot;. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s all that different from the way it would have been without putting all lap down guys to the back of the pack. If somebody catches a bad break, there are still ways to get your lap back, but under certain circumstances, it might be a little tougher than before. Under other circumstances, it&#039;ll be exactly the same as before. I&#039;m really not too stressed about this at all. I&#039;m willing to see what happens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That puts you at the back of the lead lap with old tires and low fuel.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then, you&#8217;re left doing what you would have been doing without the new rule changes: waiting for a second yellow flag in order to level the difference between you and everybody else on the lead lap. In the old system, if you pitted just before a yellow and got caught a lap down, you&#8217;d have to pass your way up through the leaders and then catch another yellow, because there&#8217;s basically no way to make up an entire lap under green flag conditions. Or, if everybody in front of you pitted and you wound up the first car in line (i.e at the back of the lead lap), you&#8217;d get a wave around, just like I think they&#8217;ll do if you&#8217;re first in line but at the tail of the lead lap under the new rule.</p>
<p>You are right that you can get screwed by one (or two, or just a handful) of lead lap cars staying out, then you get put behind all the other lead lap cars. That is worse, but I think it&#8217;s a relatively small cost in order to make sure that the lap down cars don&#8217;t screw up restarts, like in the case that you have the leader, then four lap down cars, then 2nd, 3rd, 4th, like what happened a lot before (I distinctly remember this happeneing at Kansas last year, because Pressdog and I talked about it right after the race). I&#8217;d rather that the leaders have a shot at changing position, especially late in the race.</p>
<p>Really, I don&#8217;t think that this rule change requires an adoption of the &#8220;Lucky Dog&#8221;. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s all that different from the way it would have been without putting all lap down guys to the back of the pack. If somebody catches a bad break, there are still ways to get your lap back, but under certain circumstances, it might be a little tougher than before. Under other circumstances, it&#8217;ll be exactly the same as before. I&#8217;m really not too stressed about this at all. I&#8217;m willing to see what happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Leone</title>
		<link>http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/01/26/randys-first-real-hiccup/#comment-6417</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I feel like the double-file restarts will be fine if Barnhart handles them well. Then again, to that end, I&#039;m concerned. And if they don&#039;t work, I think Randy is astute enough to recognize that possibility quickly and compensate for it by either making modifications or dumping the concept entirely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like the double-file restarts will be fine if Barnhart handles them well. Then again, to that end, I&#8217;m concerned. And if they don&#8217;t work, I think Randy is astute enough to recognize that possibility quickly and compensate for it by either making modifications or dumping the concept entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: Bent Wickerbill</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The message in all of this is, if one has a competitive RACE car and comes to the track with the intention of RACING, there is a fairly good chance that as long as their pit crew doesn&#039;t fail them, that he or she has a better than average chance of either winning or placing well...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The message in all of this is, if one has a competitive RACE car and comes to the track with the intention of RACING, there is a fairly good chance that as long as their pit crew doesn&#8217;t fail them, that he or she has a better than average chance of either winning or placing well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That puts you at the back of the lead lap with old tires and low fuel. 

That strategy also does not work for the lapped drive that is mid-pack and behind somebody on the lead lap that decides to not pit (to get the lead, on alternate pit strategy, etc).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That puts you at the back of the lead lap with old tires and low fuel. </p>
<p>That strategy also does not work for the lapped drive that is mid-pack and behind somebody on the lead lap that decides to not pit (to get the lead, on alternate pit strategy, etc).</p>
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		<title>By: delta3</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 04:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding your concern -- and it was my concern as well -- about someone with a competitive car going a lap down for any reason and not being able to get their lap back because of the proposed new rule not allowing lapped cars to maintain their position after a yellow.

A questioner in Robin Miller&#039;s Mailbag this week wrote about the very same concern, as follows:

&quot;...if you use this new method and you go a lap down your day is over. You&#039;ll never end up on the lead lap unless you happen to pit out of sequence before a yellow happens. If you were just lapped and the yellow comes out, they move you to the back a lap down. Now instead of only having to pass the lead car, you have to pass everyone again and hope that another yellow doesn&#039;t come out or its back to the back again.&quot;

Miller&#039;s answer:

&quot;No, you can still get your lap back because when the leaders pit first, you will stay out, get back on the lead lap and then be waved around to the rear of the lead pack.&quot;

Does that sound right? If that is the way it would work, then our concerns may be for naught.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding your concern &#8212; and it was my concern as well &#8212; about someone with a competitive car going a lap down for any reason and not being able to get their lap back because of the proposed new rule not allowing lapped cars to maintain their position after a yellow.</p>
<p>A questioner in Robin Miller&#8217;s Mailbag this week wrote about the very same concern, as follows:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;if you use this new method and you go a lap down your day is over. You&#8217;ll never end up on the lead lap unless you happen to pit out of sequence before a yellow happens. If you were just lapped and the yellow comes out, they move you to the back a lap down. Now instead of only having to pass the lead car, you have to pass everyone again and hope that another yellow doesn&#8217;t come out or its back to the back again.&#8221;</p>
<p>Miller&#8217;s answer:</p>
<p>&#8220;No, you can still get your lap back because when the leaders pit first, you will stay out, get back on the lead lap and then be waved around to the rear of the lead pack.&#8221;</p>
<p>Does that sound right? If that is the way it would work, then our concerns may be for naught.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 03:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll take the GWC too. Anything to improve the show like standing starts on road courses. I am all for it. Take the good things NASCAR and F1 have to offer and ignore the bad ones like the Chase, their awful new point system and Bernie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take the GWC too. Anything to improve the show like standing starts on road courses. I am all for it. Take the good things NASCAR and F1 have to offer and ignore the bad ones like the Chase, their awful new point system and Bernie.</p>
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		<title>By: Oilpressure</title>
		<link>http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2011/01/26/randys-first-real-hiccup/#comment-6407</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 02:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No harm done. It just sounded like you were trumpeting for IndyCar to adopt everything that is NASCAR. My complaint was the way they came out with their original stance, then started backtracking and changing their plans on the fly. It seemed very un-Randy Bernard-like. He usually seems to think everything through. That&#039;s why I wonder if someone else has their fingerprints all over this and he&#039;s just the unfortunate messenger. That was the original point behind this post, but the comments quickly went in another direction. Sorry to snap you off. - GP]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No harm done. It just sounded like you were trumpeting for IndyCar to adopt everything that is NASCAR. My complaint was the way they came out with their original stance, then started backtracking and changing their plans on the fly. It seemed very un-Randy Bernard-like. He usually seems to think everything through. That&#8217;s why I wonder if someone else has their fingerprints all over this and he&#8217;s just the unfortunate messenger. That was the original point behind this post, but the comments quickly went in another direction. Sorry to snap you off. &#8211; GP</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 01:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...meant &quot;I really enjoy oilpressure.&quot; Long day. Sorry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;meant &#8220;I really enjoy oilpressure.&#8221; Long day. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 01:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[.....plus, just wanted to say, i really oilpressure. Keep up the good work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;..plus, just wanted to say, i really oilpressure. Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 01:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey! Whoa! I&#039;m a long-time open wheel fan! My attitude in writing was intended to BUMP for the current trends that we see in Indycar!  I really don&#039;t feel this was a knee-jerk reaction;   I grew up racing with my Dad as he officiated at local tracks. We always learned a lot from watching what others doing well were trying.  The same holds true with indycar.  If it works, use it! improve on it! Make it work for you! As for scoffing, no offense intended.  I love these guys. I, too am proud of the heritage of the series, the speedway, and the sport. But, pride is one of the seven deadly sins, and I agree, it did take the form of arrogance. thus the downfall; on that we agree. Indycar has a new lease on life, and I want it to succeed. I am an avid Helio fan! I want to get my Mom to at least two or three indycar events this year to see her fave Helio! I was only bumping the excitement I think this will provide!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey! Whoa! I&#8217;m a long-time open wheel fan! My attitude in writing was intended to BUMP for the current trends that we see in Indycar!  I really don&#8217;t feel this was a knee-jerk reaction;   I grew up racing with my Dad as he officiated at local tracks. We always learned a lot from watching what others doing well were trying.  The same holds true with indycar.  If it works, use it! improve on it! Make it work for you! As for scoffing, no offense intended.  I love these guys. I, too am proud of the heritage of the series, the speedway, and the sport. But, pride is one of the seven deadly sins, and I agree, it did take the form of arrogance. thus the downfall; on that we agree. Indycar has a new lease on life, and I want it to succeed. I am an avid Helio fan! I want to get my Mom to at least two or three indycar events this year to see her fave Helio! I was only bumping the excitement I think this will provide!</p>
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