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		<title>By: Dex</title>
		<link>http://oilpressure.wordpress.com/2009/08/13/why-doesnt-bruno-get-a-shot/#comment-878</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John,

If we use your argument about &#039;running at the front&#039;, he has done so in the ALMS with AGR. If you don&#039;t rate that as a indicator of his ability, go as Roger Penske about Ryan Briscoe. It really is a shame how you seem to undervalue contemporary sportscar racing here. You are not  the only one either.

In Montagny&#039;s one race at &#039;this level&#039; at Long Beach in 2008, he was runner up to Will Power. Earlier that year he was fastest on both of the days he tested with the entire Champ Car field at Sebring.

I understand the case as to why you think Junquiera should get the ride but dismissing Montagny&#039;s ability and accomplishments does not make any sense. 

In the end, I want to see Junquiera AND Montagny in the series, if IndyCar is to grow it needs the best possible pilots from around the world and right now, there are few better drivers that are available than Montagny.

Cheers,

Dex]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>If we use your argument about &#8216;running at the front&#8217;, he has done so in the ALMS with AGR. If you don&#8217;t rate that as a indicator of his ability, go as Roger Penske about Ryan Briscoe. It really is a shame how you seem to undervalue contemporary sportscar racing here. You are not  the only one either.</p>
<p>In Montagny&#8217;s one race at &#8216;this level&#8217; at Long Beach in 2008, he was runner up to Will Power. Earlier that year he was fastest on both of the days he tested with the entire Champ Car field at Sebring.</p>
<p>I understand the case as to why you think Junquiera should get the ride but dismissing Montagny&#8217;s ability and accomplishments does not make any sense. </p>
<p>In the end, I want to see Junquiera AND Montagny in the series, if IndyCar is to grow it needs the best possible pilots from around the world and right now, there are few better drivers that are available than Montagny.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Dex</p>
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		<title>By: AZZO45</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AZZO45]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 02:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m cool with a passionate debate... you never named called (IMO) &amp; brought facts to your case.  We just disagree... I can live with that

Cheers!!! :) :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m cool with a passionate debate&#8230; you never named called (IMO) &amp; brought facts to your case.  We just disagree&#8230; I can live with that</p>
<p>Cheers!!! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Speedgeek</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Speedgeek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 01:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree on Matos being a great guy to build the series around. I&#039;ve followed him since his Star Mazda days (I have an old roommate who was crewing for Pablo Donoso that year, and he spoke glowingly of Rafa&#039;s talent) and he is The Real Deal. I think Conway might even come around yet, but I&#039;m sure not holding my breath at this point.

I&#039;m going to put my general moody-ness down to an awful week at work and shortness of sleep due to traveling. I shouldn&#039;t let all of that crap angry up my blood that way, but...I&#039;m human, I guess. My bad on the escalation when George clearly asked the very next day (yesterday, that would be) to knock it off. I&#039;m an idiot. Agree to disagree, indeed. Sorry &#039;bout that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree on Matos being a great guy to build the series around. I&#8217;ve followed him since his Star Mazda days (I have an old roommate who was crewing for Pablo Donoso that year, and he spoke glowingly of Rafa&#8217;s talent) and he is The Real Deal. I think Conway might even come around yet, but I&#8217;m sure not holding my breath at this point.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to put my general moody-ness down to an awful week at work and shortness of sleep due to traveling. I shouldn&#8217;t let all of that crap angry up my blood that way, but&#8230;I&#8217;m human, I guess. My bad on the escalation when George clearly asked the very next day (yesterday, that would be) to knock it off. I&#8217;m an idiot. Agree to disagree, indeed. Sorry &#8217;bout that.</p>
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		<title>By: AZZO45</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Speedgeek you keep saying that I says he SUCKS... I didn&#039;t say that EVER.  I said he had off years recently &amp; his teammates OWNED him (in MOST cases).  You can mix eras all you want.

My &quot;Pretty Fat Girl&quot; era is the CHAMP CAR one... where Sebastian Bourdais &amp; Paul Tracy grabbed the championship glory.   I had followed CART since &#039;79 &amp; the CCWS era was as I said earlier &quot;Glorified Club Racing&quot;.  It was painful to watch.   Bruno SHOULD have beat an aging Jimmy Vasser in a PKV Racing car.  Should have beat AJA in a underfunded RuSport team (or should have been higher in points due to his Forstythe switch)

Like you said... he could through stats that support out arguments all damn day.  I disagree with you that a rookie would be a bad hire.  Not all rookie are Mike Conway.  Rafa Matos is a rookie &amp; he has performed better than Conway... Plus the series can build on Matos.  He young &amp; a better potential than Bruno.  

We agree to disagree!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speedgeek you keep saying that I says he SUCKS&#8230; I didn&#8217;t say that EVER.  I said he had off years recently &amp; his teammates OWNED him (in MOST cases).  You can mix eras all you want.</p>
<p>My &#8220;Pretty Fat Girl&#8221; era is the CHAMP CAR one&#8230; where Sebastian Bourdais &amp; Paul Tracy grabbed the championship glory.   I had followed CART since &#8217;79 &amp; the CCWS era was as I said earlier &#8220;Glorified Club Racing&#8221;.  It was painful to watch.   Bruno SHOULD have beat an aging Jimmy Vasser in a PKV Racing car.  Should have beat AJA in a underfunded RuSport team (or should have been higher in points due to his Forstythe switch)</p>
<p>Like you said&#8230; he could through stats that support out arguments all damn day.  I disagree with you that a rookie would be a bad hire.  Not all rookie are Mike Conway.  Rafa Matos is a rookie &amp; he has performed better than Conway&#8230; Plus the series can build on Matos.  He young &amp; a better potential than Bruno.  </p>
<p>We agree to disagree!</p>
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		<title>By: The Speedgeek</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Speedgeek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dude, like just about everything in life, it&#039;s a combination of things. It&#039;s an extra year of experience with the Dallara PLUS a new, far more experienced engineer PLUS the addition of Justin Wilson (a career top-3 in every series he&#039;s ever been in, minus his one year in F1, when he drove crap equipment or was a mid-season #2 replacement driver). There was no magic silver bullet for Coyne this year, just a matter of upgrading everything that they possibly could. Subtract any of those upgrades, and they&#039;re probably not winning. Would they be winning with Bruno still in the car? Maybe, but also maybe not. Justin was always quicker than Bruno in ChampCar, so you can do the math. 

That said, Bruno does not suck. Race car driving, once again, like basically everything else in life, is not a binary &quot;you are awesome / you suck&quot; proposition. The point of the original column (which I thought was quite well written, George, minus the possible eye of doubt cast toward Montagny, who I think is the *&amp;^%) was that Bruno has been a solid-or-better driver basically since he stepped foot into a Big Car. &quot;Prettiest Fat Girl&quot;? Let&#039;s list some of the guys that Bruno beat in the points in CART, shall we? 2002: Franchitti, Tracy, Carpentier, Fittipaldi, Brack, Kanaan, Vasser. 2003: Bourdais (in his rookie season), Carpentier, Tagliani, Vasser, Hunter-Reay (this wasn&#039;t CART&#039;s best season). 2004: Carpentier, Tracy, Allmendinger, Vasser. 2006: Tracy, Power, Tagliani, Servia. 2007: Pagenaud, Tagliani, Tracy. If Bruno sucks, then all of those guys suck too. Kick all of them out of the League for good.

If you&#039;re starting a team for 2010 and you want the possibllity of running in the top-10 from the first session of the year, you don&#039;t hire a Mario Romancini (not to short him, because I think he&#039;s potentially a future star), you hire a guy who you know can be quick, but still bring the car home in one piece: a Bruno Junquiera. Hiring a Romancini or an Ana Beatriz as your ONLY driver can bankrupt you beneath a pile of crash damage bills, as they learn the ropes. If you&#039;re building a team for 2012 and beyond, by all means, hire one of the young guns as a #2 or a test driver in order to develop them as a driver.  If you&#039;re hiring a driver to help work on setups and bring the car home safely just about every week (and maybe even catch a lucky break that will allow you to grab a podium), you hire a guy like Bruno. Different horses for different courses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, like just about everything in life, it&#8217;s a combination of things. It&#8217;s an extra year of experience with the Dallara PLUS a new, far more experienced engineer PLUS the addition of Justin Wilson (a career top-3 in every series he&#8217;s ever been in, minus his one year in F1, when he drove crap equipment or was a mid-season #2 replacement driver). There was no magic silver bullet for Coyne this year, just a matter of upgrading everything that they possibly could. Subtract any of those upgrades, and they&#8217;re probably not winning. Would they be winning with Bruno still in the car? Maybe, but also maybe not. Justin was always quicker than Bruno in ChampCar, so you can do the math. </p>
<p>That said, Bruno does not suck. Race car driving, once again, like basically everything else in life, is not a binary &#8220;you are awesome / you suck&#8221; proposition. The point of the original column (which I thought was quite well written, George, minus the possible eye of doubt cast toward Montagny, who I think is the *&amp;^%) was that Bruno has been a solid-or-better driver basically since he stepped foot into a Big Car. &#8220;Prettiest Fat Girl&#8221;? Let&#8217;s list some of the guys that Bruno beat in the points in CART, shall we? 2002: Franchitti, Tracy, Carpentier, Fittipaldi, Brack, Kanaan, Vasser. 2003: Bourdais (in his rookie season), Carpentier, Tagliani, Vasser, Hunter-Reay (this wasn&#8217;t CART&#8217;s best season). 2004: Carpentier, Tracy, Allmendinger, Vasser. 2006: Tracy, Power, Tagliani, Servia. 2007: Pagenaud, Tagliani, Tracy. If Bruno sucks, then all of those guys suck too. Kick all of them out of the League for good.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re starting a team for 2010 and you want the possibllity of running in the top-10 from the first session of the year, you don&#8217;t hire a Mario Romancini (not to short him, because I think he&#8217;s potentially a future star), you hire a guy who you know can be quick, but still bring the car home in one piece: a Bruno Junquiera. Hiring a Romancini or an Ana Beatriz as your ONLY driver can bankrupt you beneath a pile of crash damage bills, as they learn the ropes. If you&#8217;re building a team for 2012 and beyond, by all means, hire one of the young guns as a #2 or a test driver in order to develop them as a driver.  If you&#8217;re hiring a driver to help work on setups and bring the car home safely just about every week (and maybe even catch a lucky break that will allow you to grab a podium), you hire a guy like Bruno. Different horses for different courses.</p>
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		<title>By: AZZO45</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry but Coyne hires ONE new engineer &amp; they are less of a joke???  Same sponsorship, same basic crew &amp; oh yeah.... NEW DRIVER (Justin Wilson).  Justin brought no &quot;Money Bag&quot; either.

Props for Bruno&#039;s Indy Q this year, but saying the guy was &quot;Top 5&quot; in Champ Car is like  saying you are dating the Prettiest Fat Girl!  CCWS was a glorified club series &amp; Bruno was driving for Newman Haas.  Bourdais owned him &amp; just like F1 that&#039;s not a good thing.

Indycar needs drivers they can build around... JMO, but they should build up / market some young Indy Lights &amp; Atlantic grads instead of  30 something Brazilians who have had their shot.   That&#039;s common sense as well]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry but Coyne hires ONE new engineer &amp; they are less of a joke???  Same sponsorship, same basic crew &amp; oh yeah&#8230;. NEW DRIVER (Justin Wilson).  Justin brought no &#8220;Money Bag&#8221; either.</p>
<p>Props for Bruno&#8217;s Indy Q this year, but saying the guy was &#8220;Top 5&#8243; in Champ Car is like  saying you are dating the Prettiest Fat Girl!  CCWS was a glorified club series &amp; Bruno was driving for Newman Haas.  Bourdais owned him &amp; just like F1 that&#8217;s not a good thing.</p>
<p>Indycar needs drivers they can build around&#8230; JMO, but they should build up / market some young Indy Lights &amp; Atlantic grads instead of  30 something Brazilians who have had their shot.   That&#8217;s common sense as well</p>
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		<title>By: Leigh O'Gorman</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How dare you bring common sense to this discussion!?!]]></description>
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		<title>By: The Speedgeek</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Go out of town for two days and this is what I miss...and probably nobody&#039;s even reading this thread anymore.

Good God, everybody. Take a deep freaking breath. Slamming Bruno and Minassian for lack of performance for Ganassi in &#039;01 is a joke. Neither had driven a CART car before that season. No experienced teammate to set up the car = crappy performance. Ask TK about that. Blame that season on Chip for thinking he could throw anybody into his cars and they&#039;d win. Zanardi and JPM both benefitted from having Jimmy Vasser as a teammate, since he&#039;d been around since &#039;92 and had plenty of development experience by &#039;96. Read Alex&#039;s autobiography for mor insight there. Slamming Bruno for lack of performance with Coyne in &#039;08 is also a joke. No dollar team making transition into series with many longstanding teams and more well-funded transition teams + teammate with no big car experience = bad team performance. That was never going to turn in any decent results. Bruno turned into the #2 at N/H/L behind Bourdais, but he was still an undisputed top-10 (and maybe even top-5) guy in ChampCar. That doesn&#039;t mean that he sucks, just that he&#039;s not a top-3-in-the-IRL guy. No crime there, there&#039;s a lot of guys around who fit that description.

As for Franck, the guy&#039;s been competitive in everything he&#039;s driven. Championships, race wins, dusting off his teammates in F1 and with Peugeot. That&#039;s a guy who belongs in IndyCar. Yes, it&#039;s a &quot;what have you done for me lately&quot; series, but Bruno has done plenty lately, too. Just three months ago, he stuck a car in the Indy 500 on one hour of practice. He&#039;s got more than enough recent success (I&#039;m talking &#039;07, not ancient history or anything) to merit being in the series, too. Fact of the matter is, there are only so many seats in the series, and several have to have a bag of money attached. Bruno has no bag of money, but Moraes, EJ and a few other guys who Bruno&#039;s probably quicker than do have a bag of money. This is an easy equation to figure out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go out of town for two days and this is what I miss&#8230;and probably nobody&#8217;s even reading this thread anymore.</p>
<p>Good God, everybody. Take a deep freaking breath. Slamming Bruno and Minassian for lack of performance for Ganassi in &#8217;01 is a joke. Neither had driven a CART car before that season. No experienced teammate to set up the car = crappy performance. Ask TK about that. Blame that season on Chip for thinking he could throw anybody into his cars and they&#8217;d win. Zanardi and JPM both benefitted from having Jimmy Vasser as a teammate, since he&#8217;d been around since &#8217;92 and had plenty of development experience by &#8217;96. Read Alex&#8217;s autobiography for mor insight there. Slamming Bruno for lack of performance with Coyne in &#8217;08 is also a joke. No dollar team making transition into series with many longstanding teams and more well-funded transition teams + teammate with no big car experience = bad team performance. That was never going to turn in any decent results. Bruno turned into the #2 at N/H/L behind Bourdais, but he was still an undisputed top-10 (and maybe even top-5) guy in ChampCar. That doesn&#8217;t mean that he sucks, just that he&#8217;s not a top-3-in-the-IRL guy. No crime there, there&#8217;s a lot of guys around who fit that description.</p>
<p>As for Franck, the guy&#8217;s been competitive in everything he&#8217;s driven. Championships, race wins, dusting off his teammates in F1 and with Peugeot. That&#8217;s a guy who belongs in IndyCar. Yes, it&#8217;s a &#8220;what have you done for me lately&#8221; series, but Bruno has done plenty lately, too. Just three months ago, he stuck a car in the Indy 500 on one hour of practice. He&#8217;s got more than enough recent success (I&#8217;m talking &#8217;07, not ancient history or anything) to merit being in the series, too. Fact of the matter is, there are only so many seats in the series, and several have to have a bag of money attached. Bruno has no bag of money, but Moraes, EJ and a few other guys who Bruno&#8217;s probably quicker than do have a bag of money. This is an easy equation to figure out.</p>
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		<title>By: John McLallen</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 05:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dex, what has Montagny done &quot;globally&quot; in the past 5 years that is of any significance. The answer is nothing. He has never been a consistent up front driver, no poles or first place wins of any significance. the jr. series don&#039;t mean anything other than he was winning in jr. series. A1GP was a joke and he didn&#039;t do much there unless you think that placing 4th with that bunch was meaningful. I don&#039;t. As for Bruno, he has always run up front at Indianapolis and won a pole there as well as being in it until the end twice and led in 2008 for two laps after starting 15th. This was also old equipment courtesy of the unification. But let&#039;s get back to Montagny, until he can show that he can run up front when he races with the big boys I will remain unimpressed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dex, what has Montagny done &#8220;globally&#8221; in the past 5 years that is of any significance. The answer is nothing. He has never been a consistent up front driver, no poles or first place wins of any significance. the jr. series don&#8217;t mean anything other than he was winning in jr. series. A1GP was a joke and he didn&#8217;t do much there unless you think that placing 4th with that bunch was meaningful. I don&#8217;t. As for Bruno, he has always run up front at Indianapolis and won a pole there as well as being in it until the end twice and led in 2008 for two laps after starting 15th. This was also old equipment courtesy of the unification. But let&#8217;s get back to Montagny, until he can show that he can run up front when he races with the big boys I will remain unimpressed.</p>
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		<title>By: gnome</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So long as Luzco Dragon has the money (and with Jay Penske they should) I would not be surprised to see them have two cars next year, to pair an experienced driver with the young and talented Rafa Matos.  I think having a Buddy Rice or Bruno Junqeira would be a great help to a newer team and a new driver set up their cars.  They obviously have good equipment and smart leadership, so I hope this happens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So long as Luzco Dragon has the money (and with Jay Penske they should) I would not be surprised to see them have two cars next year, to pair an experienced driver with the young and talented Rafa Matos.  I think having a Buddy Rice or Bruno Junqeira would be a great help to a newer team and a new driver set up their cars.  They obviously have good equipment and smart leadership, so I hope this happens.</p>
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